Im new to Honda's well not new but new to owning one. I had a 240sx with an sr swap before it got totaled by a drunk driver. So i just went out and bought a 90 Accord sedan for 600$ the kid said it needed a new clutch but when i pulled off the tranny the throw out bearing was torn to shreds, but the clutch and flywheel were fine. But while i had the tranny out i was wondering whether i should just take out the F22 and build it instead of the H22 swap. Ive been doing a bit of reading a lot of people have been saying a F22 on boost is equivalent to a stock H22 but i haven't read about a bored 40 over f22 with crank, rods, and pistons with a done up head too, while being on boost around 9lbs or so. I don't need something that's gonna blow in a month i want at least 200hp or more and is reliable any help would be awesome.
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been asked/answered so many times
if you are going to budget boost then decide if you want vtec, can make things a little more expensive as you have to buy the h22.
if you are going to all out boost...then decide if you want vtec option...either way you'll end up re-sleeving etc etc so the only variant would really be vtec or not as...everything else would be changed (forged pistons etc etc)
You can boost an h22, but it has higher compression...not a good idea. Also (and I've yet to really see anyone make a good argument yes or no as to the issue) forged pistons plus frm COULD lead to greater wear.
f22 is iron sleeves (no forged piston issue), head flows better, cheaper to replace, lower compression.
f22 is boost friendly
if you AREN'T going to boost...well h22 is more exp as you have to buy that engine first and they are more expensive than f22's. h22 makes more power out of the box but the f22 head flows better and i've been told the way the f22 head is made it gains more from headwork.
I'm sure I'm leaving stuff out....note...you can up the f22's compression and make damn good power...remember, 140 hp at 8.?:1 vs h22's 190 at 10:1? compression is a hell of a thing
to me it seems you must decide...are you EVER going to boost? if yes if i was you I'd stick with the f22...if no...stick with the h22
to get 200 hp the h22 is easier route my .02Last edited by bcjammerx; 04-22-2009, 07:13 AM.__
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i see your not to fimiliar with imports lol.
this isn't a v8 that you can just bore 40 over.
it all depends on the type pistons you buy, concerning their swelling and contracting, which will tell how much piston slap you will have.
not to mention that most when resleeved might only go 20-30 over.
as for the domed cylinder head,, i assume you speak about the same dome design from dodge.. Hemi.... this would cost you so much money it would be totally redesigning the f22 head.
their are many 200-300 whp f22 engines that are boosted, with simple mods like.
3 angle valve job, ported head to gasket match everything, h23 intake manifold swap. with throttle body.
evo 3 turbo charger, dsm setup with redrilled holes would work fine, just port match it all.
some 650-750cc fuel injectors, and upgraded fuel pump.
some forged pistons with acl main and rod bearings, arp head and main studs for the heck of it.
a high performance oilpump
Front mount or water cooled intercooler, with a boost controller and a chipped ecu for recalibration..
i left out odds and ends but a well built f22 motor boosted can be more reliable than a high reving H22
because the thermal load a motor put on the entire block is much greater the higher one revs than when it is boosted."Self Renewed"Comment
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200hp is cake with boost on a stock F22A. 250 is doable with the right parts and tuning on a healthy motor. 500+ is doable if you build it.
There are also NA F22As out there that are making over 250whp. If you can still call the monster that Bisimoto has in his Insight an F22A, that thing is making over 400hp NA.
The F22A has amazing potential. The H22A does as well. I'd prefer the H22A for a mild street motor. If I were going crazy, I wouldn't waste the money swapping to the H, since the F22A can make similar power when it's heavily modified.
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Originally posted by KeeleDesign View Post
Im very familiar with imports i don't like muscle very much like i said im a NISSAN guy not a Honda guy i have plenty of friends that dabble with Acura's and Honda's. Im learning more in detail about Honda's now that i bought one so that's why i joined this site. Honestly im still learning about engines and cars in general everyday but im new to FWD and shit so im going to read as much as possible and ask as many questions as i need to and hopefully i can build this car right. And that whole bore 40 over i was told buy some dude at a aftermarket parts store in my area. Im pretty sure that's retarded but it's what i was told.Comment
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Im looking for my engine to be held together well seeing as this is also my daily driver to and from work so i want something that has balls and is fun to drive yet able to cruise around with and go to Orlando and the Fl Keys on a regular basis.Comment
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keep the f22 and turbo it
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agreedOriginally posted by brian91accord View Postkeep the f22 and turbo it
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This was my throw out bearing BTW i did not do this i bought the car like this
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jeese,, thats crazzy"Self Renewed"Comment
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