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    hypereutectic vs forged piston

    So I found out my 1uz-fe has hyper-eutectic pistons...which means the aluminum pistons are alloyed with silicon to make a "better piston". Makes them stronger than cast but not near as strong as forged.

    I would assume our f22's pistons are eutectic as well, but are they?

    :FROM WIKI:
    "By adding silicon to the piston's alloy, the piston expansion was dramatically reduced. This allowed engineers to specify a much tighter cold-fit between the piston and the cylinder liner. Another benefit of adding silicon is that the piston becomes harder and is less susceptible to scuffing which can occur when a soft aluminum piston is cold-revved in a relatively dry cylinder on start-up or during abnormally high operating temperatures.

    The biggest drawback of adding silicon to pistons is that the piston becomes more brittle as the ratio of silicon is added. This makes the piston more susceptible to cracking if the engine experiences pre-ignition or detonation."
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    #2
    wow...no one has thoughts?
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      #3
      naw dude...thats kinda the theory behind FRM cylinder walls n S2K pistons n what not...

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        #4
        Originally posted by trouty View Post
        naw dude...thats kinda the theory behind FRM cylinder walls n S2K pistons n what not...
        you are incorrect...the two are in no way related. Please read up on the subject before posting
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          #5
          do you know what a eutectic steel is? or what it's Mechanical Properties are?

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            #6
            Originally posted by blizzard335 View Post
            do you know what a eutectic steel is? or what it's Mechanical Properties are?
            to me? see first post...
            Course I'm no chemist I am attempting to gain more than what I've seen on wiki and another forum...I've found enough for what I need...really curious as to whether f22's are.

            Course for boost, our cb's pistons abilities are known, regardless of molecular composition
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              #7
              You need to be a metallurgist, not a chemist

              Eutectic steel is a type of steel. Steel at it's eutectic point (depending on what kind of steel (Fe-C etc) means that it crystallizes straight away, from liquid phase, to solid phase. There is no 'intermediate' region, as in carbon steel, say, for 0.3% carbon, there is no eutectic point.

              A 0.3% carbon steel will slowly transform from liquid - austenite - ferrite and it's constituents.. If it is quenched from austenite (solid phase) it results in very hard, yet brittle martensite.

              Hence why heat treatment is very vital. heat treatments such as spherodising, annealing, tempering are done to change the microstructure of the steel to attain any desired property.

              Forging is a form of metal-work (hot- or cold-forging), not heat treatment. Forging causes the microstructure (grains) to follow the form of the shape/geometry wanted. Forged products are known to be stronger than their normally cast counterparts.

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                #8
                gotcha

                From what I gathered hypereutectic meant they added silicon to keep aluminum pistons from expanding as they got hotter...also, they were stronger than plain aluminum pistons. wiki didn't mention steel...so thanks for giving me some more info.

                Wiki points out that the pistons for the 94 1uz-fe (what is in my supra) are hypereutectic and so I was curious as to the composition of our f22's pistons.

                Are the f22's pistons aluminum or alloy or steel? Does hyper eutectic refer to aluminum as well...that's why I hate wiki sometimes...leaves out some needed info.
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                  #9
                  in simple terms, eutectic is the point where three points meet. it could be applied to any material, but is usually metal.

                  hypereutectic means the metal or alloy is at the right side of the eutectic point in the phase diagram. any point to the left is hypo-eutectic.

                  Example, iron-carbon, with some additional elements.

                  Let's place the eutectic point at say, 30% carbon content with 70& Iron. A steel with 60% carbon, at high temperature (above ACm line) would be hypereutectic.

                  in the case of the piston, it could mean that the Fe-Si composition would have a large amount of Si in the mixture. Silicon is very useful in modifying mechanical properties.

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                    #10
                    Oh, on a side note.

                    Aluminium with SiC (silicon carbide) particles is very hard. the SiC particles contribute to the hardness and helps increase the K1c value (fracture toughness)

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