Need some advice on a couple of things.

[shadowdlink]

Helo, I just need some advice on some things I'm planning to do. I just snatched myself an H23 2.3i Intake manifold for my F22a1, so I've got a few questions.
I don't know much about this so bare with the noob okay.
I've heard that in order to make the butterflies that open around the 4,000rpm work you need to have a black box connected to it and a knock sensor to the ECU(don't know much about this, so I would really be thankful if you also explained this to me). For that I would need a PT5(or is it PT6) ECU that comes out of an CB7 EX with an F22a6? right.
Would be easier and more efficient if I did that... or if I just gut the butterflies on the IM and just stick with my P12 ECU? I don't really care about the speed limiter since, I'm really never gonna go above 115-120.

My second question would be, should I go ahead and get camshaft out of an F22a6 on the junkyard? Would I get any gains out of this and would it work with a P12 ECU if I decide to just gut butterflies of the IM?
Please do also put in mind that I'm a cheap son of a mother, so an economical solution is also something that I yearn for.

That's is all, any advice or input would be greatly appreciated.

[visualpoet]

You're entering into questionable territory here. The hp difference between the f22a1 and the a6 is only 15 ponies. The p12 is supposed to be 10 hp (results vary as with everything in life - I picked up 15 ponies with mine). If you go with the a6 cam, pt6 ecu and IM, you're only picking up 5 more hp than you have with the p12. If you gut the butterflies and keep the p12, you could (should) pick up some extra high end power, but no one has dynoed the results yet. And you could (probably will) lose a little low end torque, but the thought is that you'll make it up in hp. Not to menton the hassle of running a new wire from the ECU out to the black box, from what I've read.

I'm running a p12 right now, and I plan on keeping it when I swap my a6/h23 IM/UP/TB and a6 cam over. I do plan on vacuum rigging the butterflies on mine, if it doesn't work, I'll figure something else out (shift light under the hood somewhere with the black box?) My thoughts are that I've already gotten as much out of the p12 as the whole a6 set up of parts, so they should give me more power with it than I'd get with the pt6.


Let the discussions begin!

[shadowdlink]

Well, thats what I thought.

I'm already running on short ram air intake, 4-2-1 headers, 2.25 piping(including cat), and 2.25 magnaflow muffler. So I'm pretty sure that I'm running more horses than your usual LX. With the P12 I'm can feel the results of my bolt on mods much more than I do with the PT3. With the PT3, its kind of a dull experience.

Anyhow, I was asking this to see if you guy think that if just running the gutted IM would be a better idea than running on the entire PT6/h23 IM setup.
I mean, its almost seems like the same results or so I think.

Oh well... I've also heard a few people in these forums that they've experienced a few gains with an A6 cam on their F22a1s. I'm curios.

[shadowdlink]

No more input? Oh well.

Anyhow. Should I get some F22a6 runner while I'm at it? I've read that give you bit more torque since they are shorter than the h23 runners. Though, my main reason to get these would be so that I can put a support on the IM since I don't want it to get distorted over time due to the lack of a support bar...

[FDAccord]

I would run it with the butterflies functional with the proper ECU and cam. Prefer my power to be in the lower band.

[visualpoet]

You've had my input on the topic,

If you go with the a6 cam, pt6 ecu and IM, you're only picking up 5 more hp than you have with the p12. If you gut the butterflies and keep the p12, you could (should) pick up some extra high end power, but no one has dynoed the results yet. And you could (probably will) lose a little low end torque, but the thought is that you'll make it up in hp.

then you asked almost exactly the same thing I just told you about.

Anyhow, I was asking this to see if you guy think that if just running the gutted IM would be a better idea than running on the entire PT6/h23 IM setup.
I mean, its almost seems like the same results or so I think.

Oh well... I've also heard a few people in these forums that they've experienced a few gains with an A6 cam on their F22a1s. I'm curios.

Try using the search function in the menu bar; you'll find literally dozens of threads on this same topic. You'll have to read them and decide which way you want to go for yourself.

[93F22A6]

Wow, well a couple of things you can do. 1) get the PT6 w/ the lil black box and run the H23 mani w/ the butterflies, also run the A6 cam 2)gut the iab plate(butterfly plate), A6 cam and go from there, w/ the PT6 3)or you can go w/ the P12 and a gutted H23 mani Best bet would prob just be the P12 and a gutted H23 mani.