wut engine do i swap with

[Revenue]

i just got my 93 accord and wanted to knew wut engine to swap in to into it. i told h22 and f22b1/2 but im not sure which would be better?

[mndude07]

The H22 is generally the best bang for the buck.

[8ball]

for about 1000 dollars you can have a h22 long block at your house the ecu and trans are extra about another grand extra. Then you have to have some one swap in the motor , hunt down some of those hard to find parts and maybe if you have cash left over do some maintnace.

[benji]

Anything is generally better than the SOHC F22B1/2, fyi. It's best to stay away from those.

Note that those have numbers after the B. The JDM DOHC F22B (no number) is actually a decent motor.

[visualpoet]

Everybody is on the H-series dick, but I recommend building a SOHC F-series. You can get some serious power out of one while still staying N/A or you can build for boost as well. Look into the work bisimoto is doing. He's a genius in flow dynamics.

[smokeeey420]

you can even go k24 now too...
or h23 / f20 also

[JunyAccord]

Its very common to fall into the H-series, but you should look into your own F-series because people have made good numbers by turbocharging. It costs way less to turbocharge but requires more maintenance.

"If it ain't broken, don't mess with it."

[TheNextEpisode]

"If it ain't broken, don't mess with it."

That's what ultimately pulled me away from turbos and onto the H. My H22 ended up having 10-20 less whp than a decent 14b DSM set up, but with pretty-much-stock Honda reliability.


Not to say, though, that blow off valves don't attract me.

[visualpoet]

...Not to say, though, that blow off valves don't attract me.

I'm a big N/A fan, I'd rather get my power all motor just because there are less moving parts to break and explode, but I do like a nice BOV noise. It's really the only reason I would want to boost. Don't misunderstand my point and start hating on me boost fiends, I like the boost, but unless/until I am looking for retarded undrivable track only performance, I'd prefer my street driven power to be N/A. It's just a preference on the street. But damn I do like that little burst of air between gears.

[bcjammerx]

Its very common to fall into the H-series, but you should look into your own F-series because people have made good numbers by turbocharging. It costs way less to turbocharge but requires more maintenance.

"If it ain't broken, don't mess with it."

Yes and turbocharging is just so cheap too! And it will last a good long while if you just slap a turbo on...he doesn't need to rebuild the engine or anything....just slap that puppy on and your good for 300hp for a good LONG while. :TU:

While building an N/A 300hp engine does cost more money, don't fool yourself into thinking a turbo setup is cost friendly.

How much power do you think you will make with the dsm parts swap onto the f22? How LONG do you think you will make 300hp before you throw a rod (IF you get it up to 300)?

The truth is, for beginners the h22 is a good way to go. I'm not going to tell you to do or not to do something JUST because "everyone else is/isn't doing it" that is poor advice. You should be getting advice based on what works, not what is/isn't popular.

Cost wise you will be happy with your near 200hp from the h22, hell a few bolt ons and 200+ is achievable...n/a. THAT is the cheapest way to get reliable power.

BUT keep your f22, learn, and rebuild it to HANDLE 300+ hp. It won't take 200+ for long without a top to bottom rebuild.

Is the f22 is worth rebuilding? SURE, but it takes a lot to get her to handle the power, is the h22 more power right out? YES...can you rebuild it to handle a lot of boost...SURE. Don't get fooled, it costs a lot of money to get reliable boost from and f22, h22, b18, ka24, ca18, sr20, etc etc... The key is, some are built to handle it better while some just need more bottom end work (f22)...you can't do it cheap.

But sure...for 300hp it may be cheaper to go turbo than na...but it still not cheap

[JDMchristian991]

Yes and turbocharging is just so cheap too! And it will last a good long while if you just slap a turbo on...he doesn't need to rebuild the engine or anything....just slap that puppy on and your good for 300hp for a good LONG while. :TU:

While building an N/A 300hp engine does cost more money, don't fool yourself into thinking a turbo setup is cost friendly.

How much power do you think you will make with the dsm parts swap onto the f22? How LONG do you think you will make 300hp before you throw a rod (IF you get it up to 300)?

The truth is, for beginners the h22 is a good way to go. I'm not going to tell you to do or not to do something JUST because "everyone else is/isn't doing it" that is poor advice. You should be getting advice based on what works, not what is/isn't popular.

Cost wise you will be happy with your near 200hp from the h22, hell a few bolt ons and 200+ is achievable...n/a. THAT is the cheapest way to get reliable power.

BUT keep your f22, learn, and rebuild it to HANDLE 300+ hp. It won't take 200+ for long without a top to bottom rebuild.

Is the f22 is worth rebuilding? SURE, but it takes a lot to get her to handle the power, is the h22 more power right out? YES...can you rebuild it to handle a lot of boost...SURE. Don't get fooled, it costs a lot of money to get reliable boost from and f22, h22, b18, ka24, ca18, sr20, etc etc... The key is, some are built to handle it better while some just need more bottom end work (f22)...you can't do it cheap.

But sure...for 300hp it may be cheaper to go turbo than na...but it still not cheap

You can do a dsm turbo kit for under 500,easy.the most expensive thing is the tune.

and tuned correctly,and not beat on can take 6-8 psi daily easily.

[93F22A6]

If you want the most common swap go H22. You want a little more power but not like the H22 then go with an H23. Or if you want to be different go with a K swap, F20B, or a H22 Type-S swap, those are uncommon.

[JunyAccord]

Yes and turbocharging is just so cheap too! And it will last a good long while if you just slap a turbo on...he doesn't need to rebuild the engine or anything....just slap that puppy on and your good for 300hp for a good LONG while.

Because i actually wrote that. So what YOURE trying to say is get a used H22 motor from any prelude and slap it in your car without any liable information about it without a rebuild and it will precisely give out 200+hp. Good job buddy!

Look, if he wants to drop in a motor and forget about it then he should go ahead get an H22. Regardless of what decision he makes he should replace old parts from either his old F22 or his new H22 to prepare for the extra power.

[bcjammerx]

Because i actually wrote that. So what YOURE trying to say is get a used H22 motor from any prelude and slap it in your car without any liable information about it without a rebuild and it will precisely give out 200+hp. Good job buddy!

Look, if he wants to drop in a motor and forget about it then he should go ahead get an H22. Regardless of what decision he makes he should replace old parts from either his old F22 or his new H22 to prepare for the extra power.

quote for me where I recommended getting an engine without reliable info on it? And re-read my post...i said NEAR 200...with bolt ons I said you could get over 200. Learn to read, and don't put words in my mouth.

Yeah you can get a cheap dsm setup...but it won't last on an old engine. Why do people get so upset with the facts...I don't understand.

If you want 200hp then yes I am saying the h22 is the way to go, IF you have the cash and experience then rebuild your f and you'll be fine, but if you are cash limited then you won't have the cash to properly build the f, nor will you have the cash to rebuild when you blow rod, head gasket, etc etc etc. It's why I haven't done this turbo myself, the engine NEEDS to be rebuilt. If it's only got 50000 miles sure it'll last a good while, if the engine doesn't see boost much, sure it'll last a bit longer.

There are exceptions sure but an old engine does not handle boost for very long. Stop misleading this fellow.

[Gotz Cb7]

I'd prefer 200hp (little less), out of an engine that's stock, than build internals on an engine to get around 200hp. It's not cheap tryna get 200hp out of an f22, but swapping an h22 the right way isn't cheap either. You can't really ask someone what engine they'd prefer, cause it's always going to be the h22. I've had the h23 in mind before, but being an automatic, and pretty much being the same costs, the h22's the better deal.

Yes, H22's are popular for accords, but how many local accords do you know that have h22s? Hundreds of people on this forum have h22's, but when do you ever see an h22 around your way? I've been from Wv to Pa, and haven't seen an h22 yet. Only h22 I seen, was at a car meet this past fall, first h22 I've ever seen in person in a 90-93 accord. H22's are popular, but are also rare. It's your choice. Take 2k to build the F, or take 2k and drop the H. Whatever's easier for ya. Reason I choose the H, is because it's less time consuming, and the tuning for building the F, is what's gonna be costly, but some of us don't like to take the easy way out.