power steering

[breathonda]

if i take out my power steering how would that effect my car

[CB7Jay1]

its a b**** to turn around in a parking lot, or 3 point turns, and i think its rough on the tie rods. Mine pisses me off, but i have bad wrist.Its not bad when your moving tho

[Losiracer2]

our cars are kinda heavy. If you were to do this on a civic, it wouldn't be as bad, but on our 3000 lb+ accords, its a struggle when parking. I had to drive around w/o it for a lil bit til i got my new PS pump. When on the highway it feels better and not as twitchy, but when parking, its no fun at all.

[ExplodingCake]

Not that heavy , you'll get used to it.

[lokuputha]

If you have the original huge steering wheel, it is okay. If you have a smaller steering wheel like the ITR wheel or another sports wheel, you might brake your wrists...sort of.

My power steering wasn't working for about half a day and with my ITR wheel it was very hard to drive around; even bumps on the road would transfer back into pretty hard steering wheel kick back.

I say you keep power steering and get a smaller steering wheel, its much more fun.

[jacobuchanan140]

its not that bad, you'll get used to it real quick.

[johnl]

I removed the PAS belt on my CB7 a few weeks ago and really prefer the steering without the excessive assist. With PAS disabled the steering is heavier but more 'communicative'.

My car has about 6° caster angle (stock caster 2° or 3°) and a smaller than stock steering wheel (350mm vs 370mm), so sans PAS my car is very heavy to steer in car parks and the steering can load up a lot in some corners (light enough on the open road). It shouldn't be as heavy with a stock set up, but will still need some muscle (in some circumstances).

Disabling PAS on my car resulted in a noticable improvement in power at the wheels, which was a surprise because while I knew the PAS was parasisitic I didn't think it used all that much power, i.e. I didn't think / expect removing the PAS parasitic drag would be noticable. Fuel economy also seems improved, but I haven't actually checked this properly.

I have only removed the PAS belt, I haven't done anything else to the system, and this has not resulted in any noticable 'reverse pumping' resistance in the steering. Some cars may need lines re-routed etc, but mine doesn't. If you can jack the front wheels off the ground and turn the steering wheel quickly from side to side (engine off) without feeling any significant hydraulic resistance, then you only need the belt removed.

In this case you could just remove the belt to see if you like the steering that way, and if not then just replace the belt.

[TheNextEpisode]

Driving around town without power steering is annoying at best.


Driving hard without power steering is straight up impossible.


My power steering didn't work for a while, back when I had my h22 in the bay. Driving hard on mountain roads would not happen.

Picture coming into a hairpin @ 30-40 mph, downshifting into second, and turning in. Without power steering, you can't turn in [with any precision] with your left hand alone; every moment that your right hand is shifting, and thereby not assisting your left with turning, is a moment not going in the right direction.

The no-p/s driving feel might be more 'communicative' on street driving, but as soon as you approach any mountain road or, god forbid, autocross, you'll be wishing you had power steering back in a heart beat. And realistically, communicative driving on the fwy is unimportant compared to control through corners.


You end up thinking about how you're going to time turning and shifting as you approach the corner, rather than thinking about the line, debris on the road, and mid-corner line correction.
I'll never roll without power steering again.


EDIT: Good recommendation about just removing the p/s belt and trying it out for yourself. Maybe you'll like it?

[CB7Veritas]

Driving around town without power steering is annoying at best.


Driving hard without power steering is straight up impossible.


My power steering didn't work for a while, back when I had my h22 in the bay. Driving hard on mountain roads would not happen.

Picture coming into a hairpin @ 30-40 mph, downshifting into second, and turning in. Without power steering, you can't turn in [with any precision] with your left hand alone; every moment that your right hand is shifting, and thereby not assisting your left with turning, is a moment not going in the right direction.

The no-p/s driving feel might be more 'communicative' on street driving, but as soon as you approach any mountain road or, god forbid, autocross, you'll be wishing you had power steering back in a heart beat. And realistically, communicative driving on the fwy is unimportant compared to control through corners.


You end up thinking about how you're going to time turning and shifting as you approach the corner, rather than thinking about the line, debris on the road, and mid-corner line correction.
I'll never roll without power steering again.


EDIT: Good recommendation about just removing the p/s belt and trying it out for yourself. Maybe you'll like it?

I agree with next, 3 months ago I had a choice to make. It was having cigarettes for the day, or replacing my P/S belt. I commute everyday down Big Bear mountain, probably about a mile away from house I decided on the belt. Shits probably cool for 24/7 flat-landers but nothing more then that.

[mrlaidback]

You just gotta get use to it..parking and makin u-turns are a hassle.

[91-accord]

NO P/S makes me sick!!! I am sick and tired of driving around with NO freaking P/S! I wouldn't recommend it all especially like the other guys have mentioned our cars weigh too much!

[johnl]

I have no problem steering quickly without PS, but I do have good upper body strength. I would expect autocross type driving to be very difficult without PS, but this is a rather specific type of driving that doesn't resemble other race or road driving (closely repeated very tight corners taken as fast as you can).

I never find my self steering hard with only one hand while changing gear (PS or no PS). I would suggest that if a driver finds themselves doing this then they may have some problem with their technique (maybe in autocross where you are turning so much of the time it might be unavoidable).

[The G-Man]

Driving around town without power steering is annoying at best.


Driving hard without power steering is straight up impossible.


My power steering didn't work for a while, back when I had my h22 in the bay. Driving hard on mountain roads would not happen.

Picture coming into a hairpin @ 30-40 mph, downshifting into second, and turning in. Without power steering, you can't turn in [with any precision] with your left hand alone; every moment that your right hand is shifting, and thereby not assisting your left with turning, is a moment not going in the right direction.

The no-p/s driving feel might be more 'communicative' on street driving, but as soon as you approach any mountain road or, god forbid, autocross, you'll be wishing you had power steering back in a heart beat. And realistically, communicative driving on the fwy is unimportant compared to control through corners.


You end up thinking about how you're going to time turning and shifting as you approach the corner, rather than thinking about the line, debris on the road, and mid-corner line correction.
I'll never roll without power steering again.


EDIT: Good recommendation about just removing the p/s belt and trying it out for yourself. Maybe you'll like it?

You should not be shifting mid turn.

[GenDBlade]

our cars are too heavy to not have power steering for daily driving. now if this was for a track car or something like that, then it wont be that bad. its still a pain in the arse to steer when ur going slow. once u get moving its nt that bad. deff keep the larger steering wheel like said above.

[DrSzSoLDIeR]

y would u even wanna do dat...