Turbo and H22

[kenjin]

i have a few questions about going for turbo or h22 swap...they both cost about the same...i heard that the h22 swap is jsut a direct replacement but i didnt hear anything from the turbo kit...how hard is it to install the turbo kit?...is it possible to keep the a/c and power steering on both of the upgrades???

[stock4now]

In my opinion I would go H22. Besides most likely it will have less miles on it, that turbocharging al old F22. In which case you won't get everything out of the turbo because your engine is not built for it.

[deevergote]

"the" turbo kit? There are plenty of turbo "kits" out there... and the best option is always to build your own.

If you don't know enough about turbo to do that, then you probably shouldn't be boosting an 18 year old non-turbo engine.


The H22 will have a better chance of being reliable. I suggest getting one from a reputable source, such as www.hmotorsonline.com. There are cheaper ones out there, and you may get lucky... but usually, you get exactly what you pay for.



Turbo is involved. To do it correctly, it requires a LOT of money and work. To do it correctly, you should rebuild the engine with parts that will withstand the abuse of a turbo.


Do some research. There's plenty of info on this forum. I also suggest picking up some books. Maximum Boost by Corky Bell, and Honda/Acura Engine Performance by Mike Kojima.

[PUMASTi]

There's a few guys running turbo on the F series with AC, I read someone had overheating issues when running with the AC on.

And to Stock4now, don't spread false information, the f22 can take turbo in stock form if the engine is healthy and its tuned properly.

The H22 would be an easier project since all you have to do its drop it in there and do some simple wiring depending on what year the motor is. Search around the forum and find out what people are running and what issues they've encountered.

[deevergote]

It's not that the engine won't take it... it's just that an old, tired engine isn't a great candidate for turbo. Especially if it's a daily driver, and not a project car.


To run AC with turbo, you need a manifold that allows for it. The DSM manifold that many people use, as well as any log style mani that puts the turbo right in front of the engine will require the AC to be removed. To run a manifold that moves the turbo away from the AC, you'll have to spend some money...

[kenjin]

so if i decided to do the h22 swap instead, do you guys think it will be hard for me to keep the a/c and the power steering???...and do you guys think it will be hard to get it state reff??

[deevergote]

I'm guessing that means you're in CA, eh?

I would do some research before swapping if that's the case. Not just asking people's opinions, but actually calling the people that actually have some say in it.


As for keeping AC and PS... it'll require some work, but it's doable. I have PS, I'll be reinstalling AC eventually.

[kenjin]

yea...i do live in cali..i dont mind swapping the engine but its going to be hard for me when it is time to smog...i seen acouple that were state reff...but i wanna know if its hard or not...

[stock4now]

Ok, I didn't said anything about F22 not being able to handle a turbo. All I meant is that you turbocharge it, and won't be able to run more than 12psi on the stock bottom end, so it's really not worth it, unless the engine is built for a turbo like stronger pistons and rods. Meaning that the turbo is capable of more like 45 psi, but you can't open it's potential. No, false info here.

[evil_demon_01]

Ok, I didn't said anything about F22 not being able to handle a turbo. All I meant is that you turbocharge it, and won't be able to run more than 12psi on the stock bottom end, so it's really not worth it, unless the engine is built for a turbo like stronger pistons and rods. Meaning that the turbo is capable of more like 45 psi, but you can't open it's potential. No, false info here.

The stock bottom end can handle more than 12psi with correct tuning.
Plus 12psi (Td05) on the F22 is really quite a descent amount of power anyway, espesially for someone just new to turbos.
The turbos cababilities shouldn't be the only thing considered when building the engine, I mean If you said "I want to run 45psi on My H22" It really wouldn't make sense - You should aim for HP ratings not psi as different turbos will make say 300 HP but at different psi levels.