air/fuel ratio guage

[jas_r34]

How about JAW wideband, anybody using one?

They are cheap

where do you get the JAW ones from? is it the whole kit or just the sensor?

[rexload]

where do you get the JAW ones from? is it the whole kit or just the sensor?

Here it is, I may be using it in the future
http://www.14point7.com/JAW/JAW.htm

[SamuraiSam]

How about JAW wideband, anybody using one?

They are cheap

Piece of crap compared to an Innovate LC-1 or LM-1

How would you like your cheap-ass JAW wideband to tell you that you're running a safe 13:1 afr under load when your sensor is a year old and should really be telling you to replace the sensor? Your AFR is actually up in the 14:1 range and as a result you have inadequate 'extra' fuel to cool the combustion process, you melt a piston, and spend $2000 building a new engine because you were too cheap to buy a quality wideband . Or your fuel pump begins to fail, you hit an onramp, you go lean, and your cheap ass JAW doesnt understand that the nernst cell measure is off and instead of throwing an error code just tells you that your running well rich into the 11:1range.... new motor time.

if you want to be That guy, buy a JAW. If you want to buy a gauge that will actually help promote engine longevity, buy an Innovate.

[GhostAccord]

mine moves up and down and it goes to rich wen i gas it. holla

You could have saved yourself some time and just wired your narrow band AFR gauge to your gas peddle or TPS. It would probably be more accurate doing it that way. Specially if your satisfied when all it does is change colours when you gas it.

[deevergote]

Piece of crap compared to an Innovate LC-1 or LM-1

How would you like your cheap-ass JAW wideband to tell you that you're running a safe 13:1 afr under load when your sensor is a year old and should really be telling you to replace the sensor? Your AFR is actually up in the 14:1 range and as a result you have inadequate 'extra' fuel to cool the combustion process, you melt a piston, and spend $2000 building a new engine because you were too cheap to buy a quality wideband . Or your fuel pump begins to fail, you hit an onramp, you go lean, and your cheap ass JAW doesnt understand that the nernst cell measure is off and instead of throwing an error code just tells you that your running well rich into the 11:1range.... new motor time.

if you want to be That guy, buy a JAW. If you want to buy a gauge that will actually help promote engine longevity, buy an Innovate.

The JAW is the thing to get if you're broke, new to tuning, and need something to learn on. Of course, the risk is there regardless. Still, I agree... When you're dealing with stuff that can blow up your motor, spend the money for quality components. I have an LM-1 myself.

[rexload]

Piece of crap compared to an Innovate LC-1 or LM-1

How would you like your cheap-ass JAW wideband to tell you that you're running a safe 13:1 afr under load when your sensor is a year old and should really be telling you to replace the sensor? Your AFR is actually up in the 14:1 range and as a result you have inadequate 'extra' fuel to cool the combustion process, you melt a piston, and spend $2000 building a new engine because you were too cheap to buy a quality wideband . Or your fuel pump begins to fail, you hit an onramp, you go lean, and your cheap ass JAW doesnt understand that the nernst cell measure is off and instead of throwing an error code just tells you that your running well rich into the 11:1range.... new motor time.

if you want to be That guy, buy a JAW. If you want to buy a gauge that will actually help promote engine longevity, buy an Innovate.

hmm I think I need to do more research on JAW. Thanks for the warning.

[Gotz Cb7]

they loooks kool at night and the bitches like it lol

Yea, and kids can't see what gauges you got from their car. Except the time I went to race an old Voyager Van, and the gauge in the gauge pod on the window panel...yea, it was a boost gauge. Van...Turbo, who'duh thunk!

[SamuraiSam]

rexload, it's not so much that you really need to read a lot about the JAW, but rather the limitations of traditional analog based wideband controllers compared to Innovate's control methodology. I can't edit the post to get the links for a copy-paste, so you'll have to click this link: http://forums2.freshalloy.com/showth...84#post1511384 and check out those posts to read about how widebands work in general and how Innovate controls a bosch LSU4.2 compared to aem/plx/zeitronix/jaw ETC.

[rexload]

rexload, it's not so much that you really need to read a lot about the JAW, but rather the limitations of traditional analog based wideband controllers compared to Innovate's control methodology. I can't edit the post to get the links for a copy-paste, so you'll have to click this link: http://forums2.freshalloy.com/showth...84#post1511384 and check out those posts to read about how widebands work in general and how Innovate controls a bosch LSU4.2 compared to aem/plx/zeitronix/jaw ETC.

Lot's of great info. Thank you!