Cluthcless shift points

[sohjonn]

anyone figure out what the clutchless shiftpoints are for a stock f22a4 w/ tranny?

[ie, shifting with no clutch]

[H23CB7]

really its anywhere lower in the rpm were the next rpms would be at in the next gear. So basically you are cruising at 3000 in 2nd and if your were to shift with the clutch to 3rd the rpms would drop to 2200. You can shift to 3rd without the clutch as long as your not over 2800-2900 in 2nd gear. Kinda confusing but you should not be doing it that way anyways.

[Chicano2005]

anyone figure out what the clutchless shiftpoints are for a stock f22a4 w/ tranny?

[ie, shifting with no clutch]

sometimes when im in 2nd and put it to neutral without using the clutch, when the car almost stops i can put it in 1st without the clutch. ive done this several time. its probably not good for the tranny but my clutch is nearing the end.

[chrischhorn]

its probably not good for the tranny but my clutch is nearing the end.

so wait........youd rather ruin the whole transmission then change the clutch.......What is your mentality on that?

[Chicano2005]

so wait........youd rather ruin the whole transmission then change the clutch.......What is your mentality on that?

No, i meant the my clutch is about to stop working for good. i thought that my clutchless shifts were caused by my faulty clutch. its hard for me to write it in a perfect sentence.

[wed3k]

my clutch works fine but i can still take it out of gear and so on. ive been trying to do 2-3 and 3-4 shifts but i just grind like crazy. it's nice not having to use a clutch sometimes especially when im wearing my cowboy boots.

[johnl]

It's quite possible to shift from any gear to any gear without using the clutch, but it takes a lot of practice to do it well (lots of practice = lots of gear crunching). It's all about timing and very precise rev matching etc. Even if you get good at it, you will make mistakes and crunch gears at least on occasion, which is of course bad for the gears.

There's not really any point in learning to do it because with a synchromesh gearbox and / or a heavy flywheel the shift will typically be slower than when using the clutch. I had to learn this years ago with an old sports car I had that developed a clutch leak that sometimes meant I had to drive it being unable to disengage the clutch at all.

Clutchless shifts can be very fast with sequential boxes or with non-synchro 'crash' boxes used in some racing cars (also easier with these types of boxes), but not with more 'ordinary' boxes.

[angus67]

yeah, it takes practice. my wife is a truck driver and she does it all the time. a friend of mine let me borrow his d-50 and it was really easy, but if i tried to like show off, or wasnt doin it rite, seriuos grindage. i do it on my motorcycle all the time, and had a escort station wagon i used to do it in too. i think all manny trans will do it, but some are easier than others.

[evil_demon_01]

A few of the newer Honda trannies won't let you do it, They just grind no matter how you do it.
I've always found it faster to use the clutch. It won't let you just slam it into gear because nothing is rev matched at that point.
Plus risking grinding gears ftl

[Accrdwgnguy]

I drive without the clutch all the time. It's not really about knowing your car, its more about knowing how to shift correctly. A truck driver that I worked with showed me how, and it took me about another year of practice (driving daily) to get it perfect. I can shift any vehicle clutchless now.

Its fun to show off.

Oh and shifting, when done right, is less wear on the clutch and throwout bearing, since youre not using them.

[cb7emokid]

really its anywhere lower in the rpm were the next rpms would be at in the next gear. So basically you are cruising at 3000 in 2nd and if your were to shift with the clutch to 3rd the rpms would drop to 2200. You can shift to 3rd without the clutch as long as your not over 2800-2900 in 2nd gear. Kinda confusing but you should not be doing it that way anyways.

im agreeing with him....not good for the car

[XcluziveAZN]

From what i have google.

It is possible to shift without using the clutch.

It all about the right timing and rpm the car is running.

at certain point the Engine and Transmission ???? (I dont know quick google for me) line up and allow you to shift without the clutch.

Or and it doesnt cause any more damage then regular normal wear

[kelton]

I have been messing around with this lately, I have pretty much got it. I like to down shift from 5th to 4th to 3rd with out the clutch then go from 3rd to 4th to 5th again lol.

[My93Cb7]

i wouldnt even try doin that in a old beater. thats just beein extra lazy from my point of view atleast. u will end up messin up ur tranny witch will suck

[wed3k]

mine only goes into gear when im under 2k. so its nice for rolling through stop signs but anything above 3rd, i have to use a clutch otherwise it grinds.