Hi guys. Ok after sleepless nights of trying to work out how to get big hp out of the type s engine im getting i finall decided to go turbo. This is the only option i see to get big hp numbers. Now i know what a lot of you are gonna say. The high compression on the engine makes it bad for turbo and that such an expensive is not worth doing all this rebuilding to. OK I'VE HEARD IT BEFORE. But from what i've read with a good and proper tune it will not damage the engine and will produce a lot of hp. So what i ask is what would i have to do for a turbo setup and what model and size turbo would i be goin for?
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if i'm not mistaken a 16g would be a good, readily available choice. A 14b would also be good, but would have lower max boost. I'm not sure what sort of manifold you would need, but you would want to start looking at other people's swaps, and looking at what sort of time/money they've put into it. The major thing with such an undertaking is the details, running oil lines, fitting charge piping and intercooler mounting are going to be big concerns, heavily dependent on what parts you get, and also your personal preferences. I'd head on over to the FI forum and start absorbing as much information as you can.Cars:
91 Accord LX Sedan (sold)
98 Accord LX Sedan
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i would say if u have some extra cash then go whit the gt2871r ballbearing and if u on low budget go whit a regular t3/t4.. ar.63 or lil bit more..and make ur own turbo kit..purchase piece by piece..(thas wat im doing).. WG/BOV/FRP/MANI/INTERCOLER/INJECTOR/FUEL PUMP/PIPING/ETC...My signature works perfectly fine.Comment
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the 16g is way small for the h22........its barely large enough for the f22, its just a better option then the 14b for the dsm setups. You need atleast a t3/t4 probably atleast a .52 trim. Turbo setups are generally much more expensive for the h22 than the f22 of course. A tubular manifold is definately the way to go if you have the money. In fact, i dont think ive even seen a log manifold on any of the rides here with boosted h22's. Depending what you think is "big hp" will determine what size injectors you need. 550cc should be good for a little over 300 whp. People always say that high compression is bad for turbo but thats because most of the people that try to go turbo arent familiar with them and dont have an EXCELLENT tuner to tune them. But with higher compression you get more power per lb of boost.Comment
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I have a log manifold and it works just fine. you can run hight compression, but u can only run on racing fuel when u hit boostOriginally posted by chrischhornComment
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Originally posted by jm991700
never said there was anything wrong with them i just havent seen any of the h22's on here with a long manifold. Most people went big and used tubular manifolds.Comment
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yes. i also heard that you have to change your oil more often.Originally posted by BLKWLF
and you really have to maintain the turbo's. you cant just shut the car off right away; you gotta warm it up so get a turbo timer
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i had stock internals on mine it did ok about 6 psion low boost. race day would come and then good ol c16!!!! that was untill poof......all gone nowComment
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Oh yeah definately know about the turbo timer. Thats a must. As for the injectors im going for 650cc. From what i read there good for up to 400hp. As for the manifold i really dont know what to go for. I live in victoria/australia and we have our own brand manifolds. I would also like the it to be a/c compatible. What are the pros/cons of the log style mani's and what are some are other good designs?
I've found this website of a really popular mani in AU. And from what i've read on honda-tech it's a/c compatible.
http://lovefab.com/html/h_minimeeq.htmlLast edited by BLKWLF; 05-25-2008, 08:42 AM.Comment
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If you want "big numbers" you're still going to be replacing EVERYTHING inside of the engine, including the sleeves. Once again, removing everything from that expensive Type S that makes it a Type S.
Log manifolds are cheap, effective, and easy to install. Some pro racers have actually used them. They aren't exactly elegant designs, but they get the job done. Some of the fancier tubular designs actually work less effectively.
For a manifold to be AC compatible, you're going to need some creative piping. Most manifolds will plop the turbo right in the way of important AC components. It can be done, but your best bet is to go to a fabricator and have him build a custom piece for you.
Get a properly sized turbo. A 14b is WAY too small, and even the "big" 16g will be quite small... especially if you're looking for a lot of power.
Look at the setups used by Accord SiR and Kamaccord. They both have VERY well built turbo H22s. Copy their setups part for part and you'll be in good shape (they're both in the 600+hp range now, I believe).
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From what i've read on honda-tech deeve, with just mahle gold series pistons the h22 can easily and safely get to 300hp. And what i forgot to mention is the port & polished head you originally get with type s isn't actually there cause the guy sold it to his mate. So i'de be needing a header or mani either way. But like i said getting everything for 4g's australian, which is about maybe $3200-3500US. This includes mounts, transmission, wiring and ecu. I'll sell the tranny and use the money for other mods.Comment
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eh thats still quite expensive but im sure its harder to get your hands on that stuff then it is for us lol.Comment
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