the search thinngy....

[Razif]

I been seeing alot of new guys in here asking question which is normal for a newcomer...the thing is that whenever there is a question there is (the do the seach thinngy first then come back..). Come on guys, they are new n we are here to help(for those u are resourceful)..
Its just that some r good with cars n some arent(not telling u guys r stupid coz we r always learning something)..atleast they ask for some help..thats one of the reason they sign up here..

If the moderator think should be deleted or move..just do it..its okay.its just that i wanna express myself regarding this thinngy..

[PR CB7]

razif is not that
im happy to help the newcomers

BUUUUUUTT
is the people who make thread after thread
saying:

how can i make ma f22 faster?
how much can ma car go on the 1/4
how much money
how how how

and thats excluding the h22 questions
can i swap an h23 head to a h22
can i swap an h22 head to a f22
will the h22 tranny fit the f22

is a lot of questions and a lot of answers and questions too
i mean all those questions have been answered
soo
all u have to do is search
and if u continue to ask, dont get maddd if u gettt flameddd

[Razif]

Good answer bro but...
That's why they call them newcomer bro...they always ask the same question...

[bcjammerx]

course that's why most are confined to the noob corner here.

There was one forum I went to (not a car forum) that wouldn't let you post until you read the FAQ and posted an introduction post...pretty cool...cause the faq actually answered several of the questions I was going to ask.

Not sure what forum program it was or...hell...can't even remember the site.

I can see both of your points of view...when I was like...14 and started posting for the first time I made many mistake like that...including posting in topic that were years old...but

It does get a little frustrating having to type out an entire response when a perfectly good response is already typed out and could be found with a search...and on this site...a very quick search in fact. I.E. since I've joined I've seen several questions that could have been answered much faster with a search, and didn't need a new thread to have it answered, some were questions that I had but found for myself with a search.

Instead the poster had to wait for a response...it's not just an issue of frustration...we are trying to help folks be more efficient with their time. Why wait a day for a good reply when a good reply is only a couple clicks away? The faqs and stickys on this site are pretty well laid out...it comes down to laziness too...just seems some folks want to be given everything and not put up a little effort and get it themselves.

That's one thing that is different about this site...this is one of the few that restricts the newcomers to a beginners area...most other sites just restrict your posting ability...this site actually lets you post but in a "guarded" environment...pretty cool I think...that has it's pros and cons too but...I think the pros far outweigh the cons.

[dannyd]

Read the stickies

Beginner forum -- New members post here!
This is where the new members start out. In here NO question is stupid. Ask away! There are Technical/Performance, appearance, and audio subforums here as well! ALL new members with less than 30 posts are limited to this section!

Beginner Forum Rules - EVERYBODY read! (old and new members alike!)

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Beginners start here. Once you have 30 worthwhile posts (off topic doesn't count) you may post outside of the Beginner forums. Any "whoring" (posting simply to raise your post count) will return your count to 0, or result in a ban.

These are the rules. Read them. Live by them.

1) Absolutely NO flaming! "Flaming" is an outright attack on a member. ALL questions are encouraged to be asked here, no matter how basic. Members with over 30 posts will be subject to a ONE WEEK ban if caught flaming in this forum (and yes, moderators can read deleted posts). Members with under 30 posts will be subject to a ONE DAY ban.

2) Use appropriate language. Racial or sexual slurs will not be tolerated. A ban will be issued at the discretion of the cb7tuner.com staff.

3) No items may be sold in the Beginner forums. Any "for sale" threads will be deleted.

4) Temporarily banned members will be PERMANTLY banned if they are found posting on another account.

The rules can and will be added to. Any updates will be marked in the title.

The rules for the overall forum can be found here:
http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=40859
Read them. You will be expected to follow them

[Accord R33]

There is a difference between asking a specific question, and asking to be spoon fed.

Noobs who ask for the later, are usually directed to the search function. I cant think of too many examples where a noob asked a serious, specific question, and was told to search.

Examples:

question 1: "yo how can i put da turbos on my f22?" = bad

question 2: "Which turbo can I put on an F22?" = better, but not great

question 3: "Which size turbo can I put on my F22 to reach my goal of XXXwhp. This is for a drag racing setup only" = Best

[F20A CB7]

razif is not that
im happy to help the newcomers

BUUUUUUTT
is the people who make thread after thread
saying:

how can i make ma f22 faster?
how much can ma car go on the 1/4
how much money
how how how

and thats excluding the h22 questions
can i swap an h23 head to a h22
can i swap an h22 head to a f22
will the h22 tranny fit the f22

is a lot of questions and a lot of answers and questions too
i mean all those questions have been answered
soo
all u have to do is search
and if u continue to ask, dont get maddd if u gettt flameddd

x2

[socal_cb7]

First of all this is the reason why many get flamed in here:

Ex 1: Razif, you made this thread in the Technical/Performance forum and this has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SUBJECT, Thats why we have a Off Topic Forum for

Ex 2: "my car wount start on heat/cold", last time I saw 5 thread with the same subject... It all comes to the same answer Main Relay.

Seriously i don't mind helping anyone, actually I'm glad I could use my knowledge to help someout, but do you self a favor and do a lil search it won't do you bad.

[bcjammerx]

...

I think all those posting replies are very aware of the rules...but thanks for reposting them again.

and besides...no one was flamming...just stating frustration over great lack in the use of the search utility.

And as a new member forum...we SHOULD point out that you should TRY the search...otherwise...they never will. Granted we should do so in a gentle guidance sort of way, to lead those into the correct forum usage...and if you don't correct then no learning will occur. BUT...as it's been pointed out...you should still answer the question regardless...even if it's annoying

haven't used the size function in while...that was fun

[deevergote]

Moved to Off Topic. I agree, this has nothing to do with Technical/Performance, and does not belong in that forum.


However, the point is valid. Telling someone to search is absolutely USELESS. If I did not make that part of the rules for this section, I will amend it as soon as I finish this reply.

Go on www.honda-tech.com. Search for... I dunno... anything. Search for "accord supercharger". Fairly narrow, right? Can't be that many superchargers for Accords. Nobody does it, so there can't be that many people asking, right? I have not searched for this myself, as this is only hypothetical... BUT... assume you do. You return 20 replies. Lots of replies! Lots of information! Yay!
You open one thread. "Are there any supercharger kits for my Accord?". First reply: "search, noob!", second reply "yeah, search. it's been covered". Locked by a moderator because it's a repeat thread.
Open another thread "i wanna supercharge my 93 accord"... ok, maybe some answers here. Nope. "Search!!!"
You weed through all 20 threads. The LAST one has an answer other than "search" in it... what does it say? "I'm not sure. Maybe GReddy?"
Yeah, that helps. 1 thread in 20, and that ONE has worthless information. THAT is what all the idiots are telling people to search for!

Repeat questions? Fine. Answer them. Or link to the threads with the answer. That way, when someone searches in the future, they won't find a million frustrating dead-ends. That only leads to the same threads beginning with "I searched, but I didn't find any answers".

So, answer the damn question, or don't post. This goes for the entire forum... but it will be enforced in the Beginner Forums strictly.

From this point on, any directions to "search" will be taken as flaming and a ban will be issued. If you want to help, answer the question. If you don't want to type it out, search it yourself and post a link! If that's too much work for you, leave it alone and let someone else who cares to take the time help out.


Accord R33 has a point about the spoon-feeding though. If someone posts a totally worthless question "how do i git da turboz for my engin?" then it's best ignored. If you wish, ask them for more details. I, personally, would just leave it. If they can't take the time to ask an intelligent question, I'm not going to waste my time giving ANY response!

[Razif]

Moved to Off Topic. I agree, this has nothing to do with Technical/Performance, and does not belong in that forum.


However, the point is valid. Telling someone to search is absolutely USELESS. If I did not make that part of the rules for this section, I will amend it as soon as I finish this reply.

Go on www.honda-tech.com. Search for... I dunno... anything. Search for "accord supercharger". Fairly narrow, right? Can't be that many superchargers for Accords. Nobody does it, so there can't be that many people asking, right? I have not searched for this myself, as this is only hypothetical... BUT... assume you do. You return 20 replies. Lots of replies! Lots of information! Yay!
You open one thread. "Are there any supercharger kits for my Accord?". First reply: "search, noob!", second reply "yeah, search. it's been covered". Locked by a moderator because it's a repeat thread.
Open another thread "i wanna supercharge my 93 accord"... ok, maybe some answers here. Nope. "Search!!!"
You weed through all 20 threads. The LAST one has an answer other than "search" in it... what does it say? "I'm not sure. Maybe GReddy?"
Yeah, that helps. 1 thread in 20, and that ONE has worthless information. THAT is what all the idiots are telling people to search for!

Repeat questions? Fine. Answer them. Or link to the threads with the answer. That way, when someone searches in the future, they won't find a million frustrating dead-ends. That only leads to the same threads beginning with "I searched, but I didn't find any answers".

So, answer the damn question, or don't post. This goes for the entire forum... but it will be enforced in the Beginner Forums strictly.

From this point on, any directions to "search" will be taken as flaming and a ban will be issued. If you want to help, answer the question. If you don't want to type it out, search it yourself and post a link! If that's too much work for you, leave it alone and let someone else who cares to take the time help out.


Accord R33 has a point about the spoon-feeding though. If someone posts a totally worthless question "how do i git da turboz for my engin?" then it's best ignored. If you wish, ask them for more details. I, personally, would just leave it. If they can't take the time to ask an intelligent question, I'm not going to waste my time giving ANY response!

Thanks..x2

[blizzard335]

Yo Razif, it is frustating at first, but it is worthwhile to browse thru.

Yeah, what Deev said is spot on.

Some noob comes and asks a question.

and he gets the SEARCH U NOOOB!! reply

atleast post a link. and then the thread is deleted, then comes another noob and asks a somewhat similar Q.

not everyone reads the stickies LOL

i myself didnt read thru the whole sticky.

[deevergote]

The stickies are wordy, I admit... I have the tendency to do so!

Regardless, the rules are important... even though they pretty much just outline basic online manners and respect for each other. If you ever have a question as to why things are done, the answer is probably in the sticky.

[Puertorican_CB7]

Aint you guys here to help OMFG!,better watch out with that "Search noob" answer,cause the newcomers are just going to leave and search on google cause u guys just aint helping,if the question is already covered then just give the new guys the link! its too much?????,think about it,u aint answering but ur helping,this is the purpose of the site, HELP. Yes, I have made noob questions or questions that have answer already but there are a few that had helped me and im thankful 4 that,so if you see some of this newcomers that are new to the cb game and just know the basics or are total noobs when it comes to cars just dont be so rude at them,nobody was born with knowledge so be a little more comprehensive dammit.

[Puertorican_CB7]

Also the search engine here is not that precise so searching is though, so dont blame newcomers blame somebody else