Impreza or Evo

[HATCHing]

I used to own an Evo 9 MR so my vote is Evo. lol
No suprise here..

I love how 4G63T engine response to bolt-on parts!! The only complaint is the interiors is cheaply made.

[Zato]

I used to own an Evo 9 MR so my vote is Evo. lol
No suprise here..

I love how 4G63T engine response to bolt-on parts!! The only complaint is the interiors is cheaply made.

i did wish i can put my hands on a 90s evo like the 3 5 or 6 but i cant because usa and import cars rules suck but i guess ama get a 8 or 9 evo now i just need to find one that is not super rice out so far no luck they all look horrible makes me get a tear and hug the car and say "what have this horrible ppl done to you" but i will keep searching i seen some with low miles some little dents but nothing major.

ps. i will keep my accord 93 se with the h22 the reason i got it automatic is because i want my gf to drive that, that's why am getting the evo =D . i cant sale my accord hell no it stays in the family and driveway .

[Theos92VR4]

Funny you say what you do. What exactly is it about your 3000gt that has to do with an evo?

The 2.0 4g63 motor was used in so many cars, for twenty years. It's only downfall is the maintenance. Which is about the same as any other Awd turbo car.

The sti suffered from design flaws -as I mentioned the 100mm cylinder bore is a bit much, and they frequently blow through headgaskets.

My opinion is that the twenty years the 4g was being used speaks for itself. Most people don't know shit about keeping a dsm on the road, and that's why they get such a bad wrap.

I'm curious though why you would ever compare a 3000gt vr4, to an evo. Not even remotely similar platforms, I think the only thing they have in common is being made by Mitsubishi.

I am just giving my expierience with Mitsubishi. Incase you dont know, the 3000gt Vr4 was mitsubishis flagship car, before the Evo. I "know my shit" about keeping my "dsm" (the 3000gt/stealth ISNT a dsm , btw) on the road. Parts for Mitsubishi are VERY expensive, as well as labor costs. Doesnt matter how you take care of them. They arent like hondas and toyotas where you just change the oil and minor maitenence and you are good, these are very needy cars, as is almost any performance car. The previous owner of my car gave me a stack full of reciepts when I purchased the car.
Here are some examples for you.
Replace ABS hydraulic unit. Part cost $2271.00. Labor $450. Grand Total with tax. $2760.88.
Replace Mass airflow sensor. Part cost $380.23. Labor $322. Grand total with tax. $747.94
Replace Rear brake rotors, and front and rear pads. Part cost. $513.60. Labor $581.25. Total cost $1094.85
Replace timing belt, water pump and other associated parts. Total cost $1334.09
30,000 Mile service. $778.28
Window regulator. Driver side. $176.27
Idle air controller. $627.55
Tune up. Parts cost $282.33. With labor total cost. $702.33

I also have a friend with an Evo VIII. Replacing the turbo (went at 76k) cost him around $3300, and he went with an aftermarket turbo, because the price of the original equipment turbo from mitsubishi was much more. Having a clutch put in cost him around $2900.

i keep hearing high maintenance but i see none of those people have them

not that much, more than honda yes by no means a vw

insurance is the big thing most people have issues with



add to the fact that a 3000gt is not even similar to the maintenance cost of a mercedes. and after he mentioned parts for subaru is cheaper i knew he doesn't know his ish

Sorry bud, I do know my "ish" Look at some of the prices listed for you above. You obviously dont, if you think mitsubishi parts are cheaper than subaru's. Parts for a wrx arent ridculously cheap, but they are certainly cheaper than parts for an evo. While both cars are obviously more to maintain then the average car, the evo is deffinently pricier. And you will be fixing that alot more in the years to come, trust me. Mitsubishis tend to need a bit of work when they get older.

Heres a few threads about the maintenece costs of an evo that I managed to find
http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48210
Here is your maintenance schedule
http://forums.evolutionm.net/mitsubi...e-shedule.html
http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43322

and some on the wrx
http://www.iwsti.com/forums/2-5-lite...nce-costs.html
http://www.wrxtuners.com/forums/f51/...e-costs-30542/

[red07frontier]

Jesus fuck dude!!! $300 in labor for a mass air sensor. It takes 5 minutes. I did a full timing belt/water pump job on a 3000gt and charged like 700 parts and labor. Its about a 3-4hr job. Your paying out the ass. In labor.

As far as the 2 cars go, i'd say the evo is a harsher more bare bones car and the subby is more refined all around car.

As deevergote said, I would look more for a un-molested car that's been well serviced over anything. Your not paying for maintenance your paying when its been beeten and abused.

[Theos92VR4]

Jesus fuck dude!!! $300 in labor for a mass air sensor. It takes 5 minutes. I did a full timing belt/water pump job on a 3000gt and charged like 700 parts and labor. Its about a 3-4hr job. Your paying out the ass. In labor.

As far as the 2 cars go, i'd say the evo is a harsher more bare bones car and the subby is more refined all around car.

As deevergote said, I would look more for a un-molested car that's been well serviced over anything. Your not paying for maintenance your paying when its been beeten and abused.

hahah believe me I didnt pay for those repairs. I do everything myself. Those were reciepts from the dealer that the previous owner gave me. Havent had to really do any repair work to the vr4 since I got it. Except the timing belt and clutch.

[Tippey764]

i did wish i can put my hands on a 90s evo like the 3 5 or 6 but i cant because usa and import cars rules suck but i guess ama get a 8 or 9 evo now i just need to find one that is not super rice out so far no luck they all look horrible makes me get a tear and hug the car and say "what have this horrible ppl done to you" but i will keep searching i seen some with low miles some little dents but nothing major.

ps. i will keep my accord 93 se with the h22 the reason i got it automatic is because i want my gf to drive that, that's why am getting the evo =D . i cant sale my accord hell no it stays in the family and driveway .

Buy a mirage and make it an evo


Off topic but i find it funny how the poll bar for the evo is blue and the subaru is red

[SPLCB7]

Get both

[evil_demon_01]

Alot of people are saying the EVO has higher maintenance costs.
Can anyone elaborate on that as to why/where?

In reply to Theos92VR4's comment and the reply below:

Jesus fuck dude!!! $300 in labor for a mass air sensor. It takes 5 minutes. I did a full timing belt/water pump job on a 3000gt and charged like 700 parts and labor. Its about a 3-4hr job. Your paying out the ass. In labor.

$300 labour - Yea more than likely that included initial diagnosis, replacing the part, and confirming the problem fixed + Calibration.
For the timing belt I can easily find $800 of dealer parts normal. Maybe you didn't notice where he said "and other associated parts"
I'm not singling you out - I just notice that people who do home jobs, or own their own workshop don't see the accounts of a dealer.



Oh and BTW things like - ABS hydraulic unit, Window regulator, Idle air controller aren't really "Common Maintenance"
More one off parts that occasionally fail - ALL manufacturers have those, that isn't just an EVO thing.

[deevergote]

Also, the labor costs on all of the specialty cars... such as the VR4, Evo, STi, etc... are all going to be high... because the systems they're working on are usually quite complicated, the cars are worth more money, and the dealers want to be sure to get it right.

[HondaB18]

Parts for Mitsubishi are VERY expensive, as well as labor costs. Doesnt matter how you take care of them. They arent like hondas and toyotas where you just change the oil and minor maitenence and you are good, these are very needy cars, as is almost any performance car. The previous owner of my car gave me a stack full of reciepts when I purchased the car.
Here are some examples for you.
Replace ABS hydraulic unit. Part cost $2271.00. Labor $450. Grand Total with tax. $2760.88.
Replace Mass airflow sensor. Part cost $380.23. Labor $322. Grand total with tax. $747.94
Replace Rear brake rotors, and front and rear pads. Part cost. $513.60. Labor $581.25. Total cost $1094.85
Replace timing belt, water pump and other associated parts. Total cost $1334.09
30,000 Mile service. $778.28
Window regulator. Driver side. $176.27
Idle air controller. $627.55
Tune up. Parts cost $282.33. With labor total cost. $702.33

I also have a friend with an Evo VIII. Replacing the turbo (went at 76k) cost him around $3300, and he went with an aftermarket turbo, because the price of the original equipment turbo from mitsubishi was much more. Having a clutch put in cost him around $2900.

Sorry bud, I do know my "ish" Look at some of the prices listed for you above. You obviously dont, if you think mitsubishi parts are cheaper than subaru's. Parts for a wrx arent ridculously cheap, but they are certainly cheaper than parts for an evo. While both cars are obviously more to maintain then the average car, the evo is deffinently pricier. And you will be fixing that alot more in the years to come, trust me. Mitsubishis tend to need a bit of work when they get older.

Heres a few threads about the maintenece costs of an evo that I managed to find
http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48210
Here is your maintenance schedule
http://forums.evolutionm.net/mitsubi...e-shedule.html
http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43322

and some on the wrx
http://www.iwsti.com/forums/2-5-lite...nce-costs.html
http://www.wrxtuners.com/forums/f51/...e-costs-30542/

still laughable, mitsubishi parts are NOT expensive and neither are their labor cost. for someone who haven't owned a high end car sure they may seem more than your average honda

how could i forget the abs unit? they are routine maintenance, not like they are service/repair item. they go every 15,000 miles so yeah gotta replace a few before getting to 100,000 miles not like an abs unit with labor cost would cost more for a bmw or mercedes

30k mile maintenance for $778? might want to check up some prices for even the cheapest entry level cars like g35, 3 series, a4 etc

how could i also forget that all the turbochargers from evos go out at 76k miles, add that to the routine maintenance cost. its not like the a4 turbo cost more or anything

i like how you used parts from a wrx and not from the sti

sure you know your ish?

[The-Gr8-Ox]

go with the STI, lower mantinece than evo, same fun as evo, better overall car to drive to the supermarket and/or the track.

[JaberCB7]

Evo would be more eye candy but id love a 2002 wrx