ae86 + f22 dsm turbo?

[rxnasty]

It gets boring here in iraq.
i know it would be a lot of hours and who knows how much money to do this
i want to see what others think.

f22 dsm turbo very matched hp and tq #'s
4age N/A high reving, low torque < hp #'s

f22 dsm turbo in an ae86
con's
throw off front to rear weight ratio and higher than normal torqe #'s making it a slower drift car. (too much wheelspin)
finding a tranny
pro's
easy to acquire honda parts
more tuning options
use less physics to get sideways as compared to the perfection of technique used with the na 4age
a badass honda motor in a toyota



suggestions comments.
please feel free

[deevergote]

A lot of custom work would be involved. I love the F22A, but honestly... if I were to put something creative into an AE86, it'd probably be something more interesting. F20C/F22C, 13b, LS1...

I sure as hell wouldn't put a DSM turbo on an F22 that I spent so much effort getting into an AE86. If I did go that route, I'd build a quality turbo setup... not halfass it with junkyard crap.

[Accrdwgnguy]

nevermind figuring out how to make the engine standard rotation.

[HondaB18]

You know there are different tried and true engine swaps into the AE86 chassis right? Much much common ones are the silver top, blue top and the 4A-GZE. The A series engine has many compatible parts with each other so you can mix and match, much like the B series engine from Honda.

[deevergote]

It's an old, relatively simple, RWD car... the possibilities are endless. It's much easier to do a crazy swap in a RWD car than it is a FWD car.

[rxnasty]

nevermind figuring out how to make the engine standard rotation.

F20C... not a bad idea. I forgot about that one. higher hp than tq. Of course the drivetrain wouln't have a chance of surviving

LS1 Best bang for the buck yes. Way too much torque. This would lead me to think the little corolla would be unpredictable under sideways conditions. Unless you cut out the fender wells for a wider tire.

The 4age series.
I have ae101 20v sitting in my storage compartment at the moment. Its a pretty expensive motor to modify. ECU tuning ITB's. The cheapest way i found is megasquirt. I don't want to blow motors. Or maybe its just cause I have never tried it? idk.
but i do love the originality of the 4age series in any ae86

Deevergrote
you are very correct on the junkyard turbo set up. what i was trying to say was 4g63 type of turbo's. Probably like a 16g or whatever i needed for the application

the f20c sounds like a good option though
sorry for typin your heads off. i hate talkin to all the guys who think v8's are the shit. deployed with a unit from montana haha
thanks

[deevergote]

V8s have a lot to offer, but it depends on the application!

The rotary would be fun... and since it's so small it could be set back really far for good weight distribution.

Turbo on almost anything would eventually produce some V8-level torque... so the torque argument against a V8 is thin. Not that I'd actually want to see a V8 in an AE86...

The F20C has been done before, but the results were good. The F20C can also hold up to quite a bit of boost, I've seen. In stock form, that is.


The 4AGE is great, but they are getting old... and popular. Popularity creates a saturated and overpriced market... full of expensive junk, and picked over motor selections. Just like the AE86 itself (it's now hard to find one that hasn't been beaten on, unless it's owned by an oldschool enthusiast... and NOT for sale! )

[92CB7T]

No dont ruin a perfectly good Toyota with honda parts, Throw in a 2jz, You can get a N/a 2j out of a fucked up Lexus and call it a day, Or go the fun way and find the Twin Turbo piece... I am a chevy guy as well You cant go wrong with an LSX! Rotarys are plenty of fun, Till you blow an Apex seal, You practically have to be a rocket scientist to replace one of those!

[deevergote]

It's not hard to rebuild a rotoary. They have like 6 moving parts. You just need to know what you're doing... which many people don't!


And honestly... the F20C is a superior piece of engineering compared to the 4AGE.

[92CB7T]

Thats all about opinion, Im more into Yotas than Hondas, I only got this CB cuz I couldnt find a good toyota to fit my budget, The 4a is a Great engine, So much potential, Rotarys are very hard to work on dude, I dont know if youve ever attempted to replace a seal but HOLY FUCK! and if the Housing goes, FORGET IT!

[deevergote]

Yeah, if the housing goes, it's done.

I've never been a Toyota fan, really. The old 80s ones are about all I like (aside from a select few 90s and newer... like the MR2, and I can't help but love the IS-F)
It always bugged me that he cylinder heads were engineered by Yamaha. I mean, what automotive superpower outsources the engineering of the entire cylinder head, for just about all their engines!?

[92CB7T]

Yea That is pretty much bullshit, The ISFs are BEAUTIFUL! But the Mark 4 Supra has a special place in my heart, The MR2 Turbo is TITS!

[deevergote]

The Mk4 Supra is amazing, but I got so tired of all the hype surrounding it... I don't like them, unless I'm looking at one. Then I realize why they're so popular. That's probably the closest thing to a muscle car Japan has ever produced (at least for its time.) It was known for straight line performance more than its handling ability.

I was really searching for a MR2 Turbo for a while... but they're all either REALLY expensive, or beat to shit (some are both! ) Eventually I realized I didn't want that much of a project... or such an impractical car... Someday, I might grab one. It's on my list of cars I want but have no use for at the moment (along with a Galant VR4, FC, SVX... the list is quite long... )

[HondaB18]

It always bugged me that he cylinder heads were engineered by Yamaha. I mean, what automotive superpower outsources the engineering of the entire cylinder head, for just about all their engines!?

An automotive superpower that can't build a proper engine Yamaha builds nice engines from the 4age to the 2zz to Volvo's V8. Then there is the SHO one.

[deevergote]

Yeah, Yamaha definitely does know what they're doing. They build a hell of a motorcycle as well.

I wonder why they've never gotten into automobiles, other than building engines (or parts of engines in some cases) for other manufacturers. I suppose they realize that they have a firm grasp on the motorcycle market, and a sweet deal with Toyota (and others that they build for, but I'm sure Toyota is their bread and butter...) To build their own cars would be competing with the companies that are currently a major source of income for them... and they'd have to start at the bottom (they'd be another Suzuki... another company that clearly knows how to build a motorcycle, but has always had a tough time carving out a respected place in the automobile market.)