Cb7 My bro rolled over

[wildBill83]

I know the OP wasn't the driver, I have seen his CB7 thread and I know it's not even his car like other posters are confusing it to be. Hell even the title stated his BRO wrecked.

The truth is I may be being harsh but the OP needs to be harsh to his bud too. Sometimes the truth hurts.

Also the OP has been in the thread, in fact just after I stated the car looked like it had cut springs, and he did not say anything to the contrary.

Yes innocent until proven guilty, but guilt can be proven just by looking at the tires on the car and the condition it came home in.

Innocent until proven guilty is a completely different story, if he had claimed the car was stolen and wrecked then that would need to be proved, but not to me. I don't really care.

I care about people being safe on public roads. That is the bottom line.

It's the OPs duty as a friend to educate his BRO about safe driving. If the driver was on the forum, I would have been much more harsh...

[2winRB25]

The truth is I may be being harsh but the OP needs to be harsh to his bud too. Sometimes the truth hurts.

Being harsh with the truth does nothing when the "truth" is not fact.

Also the OP has been in the thread, in fact just after I stated the car looked like it had cut springs, and he did not say anything to the contrary.

So there is no way in hell that the reason he did not say anything is because he didn't know? Why didn't you come up with that assumption? After all, it was not the OPs car.

Yes innocent until proven guilty, but guilt can be proven just by looking at the tires on the car and the condition it came home in.

And you have thoroughly seen the tires? Maybe there is evidence there but you have not seen it to make the call one way or the other.

I care about people being safe on public roads. That is the bottom line.

Thats good and all but making stuff up and presenting them as fact does nothing but make your words and advice meaningless to the people you want to hear it. You hindering your own purpose.

It's the OPs duty as a friend to educate his BRO about safe driving. If the driver was on the forum, I would have been much more harsh...

And you would not succeed in getting anything through to him because you would not be presenting facts.



You know that cop you don't really care for who pulls you over all the time for things you don't do? Well, your doing the same thing he is. Practice what you preach.

[wildBill83]

I'm not here to argue semantics, the evidence points to unsafe driving with unsafe equipment, the springs aren't even the equipment I'm primarily referencing... I'm mostly concerned about someone doing triple digit speeds on public roads with mismatched tires. This much is visible evidence and enough to convince me of the driver being guilty of at least public endangerment as well as putting his life in his own hands. I'm not sentencing him for his guilt, but I am not condoning his behavior either by tip toeing around the subject of WHY he most likely wrecked. Tires and speed as well as possible lack of driving experience or ability would be the primary factors here, if he had cut springs or deformed springs and a poor suspension that is really a moot point and would only exaggerate the situation and make him more of an on road danger to the public.

Be safe out there people. Don't be like the OP's BRO.

wildBill83 out.

[2winRB25]

I like how you never faced a single one of my points and then went off in a different direction. And now its "wildbill out".

[wildBill83]

Being harsh with the truth does nothing when the "truth" is not fact.

Known facts:
He was speeding
He was using mismatched tires, hell they weren't even the same size or speed rating. Couple this with triple digit speeds and it is a recipe for disaster.
He wrecked... This much is very evident.
Therefor the fact stands that the driver is not a safe driver.

Again the springs is a moot point and only a comment based on the observation of the condition of the car photos posted. He would have most likely wrecked with the top of the line suspension available.

The truth and facts are he wrecked and did it not only because of his equipment but also because of his personal choice to speed that fast on public roads. The fact is that he is endangering himself and others. If he was a sensible and educated driver he would not be driving with the equipment pictured at extreme speeds.

I see nothing false in this statement...

So there is no way in hell that the reason he did not say anything is because he didn't know? Why didn't you come up with that assumption? After all, it was not the OPs car.

If the OP knows the car, I'll bet he knows what has been done to it. I know what is done to my friends cars. It is part of being an enthusiast. If the OP comes back and states he had the best suspension money could buy and not cut springs, I can recant that part of the discussion and will do so if the OP comes back and says so. Again though the springs are not the cause of the wreck, it is basically improper equipment and lack of concern for his well being and lack of respect for public roads and others on it.

And you have thoroughly seen the tires? Maybe there is evidence there but you have not seen it to make the call one way or the other.

I can see enough to know that those tires were on the car when it wrecked, I can also see enough to know that alone is a major safety issue at any speed over 60mph. There is plenty of evidence to support what I said and I stand by it.

Thats good and all but making stuff up and presenting them as fact does nothing but make your words and advice meaningless to the people you want to hear it. You hindering your own purpose.

I may have made an assumption about the springs, but again I have not been corrected and I can recant. I am allowed to express my opinions on the forum until I am told otherwise. But again, I believe it was incorrectly matched equipment and driver error and lack of judgement that is the real cause of something like this and any other point is moot.

And you would not succeed in getting anything through to him because you would not be presenting facts.

I might not, but at the same time he can leave the forum and join any of the other forums that encourage morons and illegal street races, or just ignore me all together. Ignorance is bliss to some.

You know that cop you don't really care for who pulls you over all the time for things you don't do? Well, your doing the same thing he is. Practice what you preach.

The cop harassing me before I did anything wrong (I am a safe driver and have a properly equipped car) is nothing like me explaining where someone went wrong after they did something wrong. It's one thing to punish someone who is abiding by the laws and not endangering public, it is another thing to publicly denounce someone for being a danger to the public after the fact. I'm doing the later not the prior. If the owner posted the car with the mismatched tires prior to the accident I would have made a nicer comment about his choice in wheels and how unsafe of a decision it is and suggested to him to not drive fast or for very long on mismatched tread.

I like how you never faced a single one of my points and then went off in a different direction. And now its "wildbill out".

If you want to further the discussion I suggest responding to my PM. I tried to leave the thread because it isn't about the semantics you are trying to argue. So yes, wildBill83 out... I'll gladly continue in PMs though if you feel it needs to be continued. I only responded this last time as you wanted to try and call me out and turn the thread away from what I tried to clarify in my last post.

[AeyJayCB7]

Ah!!!! What happen to the driver of a smashed accord??

[EfsCB7]

He survived Thank God.

[Ralphie]

I'm patiently awaiting the critics who condone the cb7 as unsafe. Another one walks away, from a roll over in a car that wasnt necessarily cared for.

[xkjnboix]

wow. every square inch of that car is totaled! Hope all is well with the people that were in it!

i was just about to say the same. lol

[Wagon Will]

Glad that he made it out alive. Hopefully he learned his lesson. 130 mph....I don't know about that with a CB7. IJS

[Hooligan90]

Just going to drop this comment here: Anything that is 30 miles over the speed limit in most states is a felony. Wreckless driving is tacked on to that, and a slew of other charges. I highly doubt he was doing 130 and walked away with that little of damage (I've seen what a wreck at 130 looks like on a caged race car, and there's more damage than this). I will say this, your brother is lucky to walk away, and stupid for putting people at risk driving like an idiot. Also glad I don't see a CB Squad logo on that car, or I'd have to have a talk with Pete about this.

[Hooligan90]

I like how you never faced a single one of my points and then went off in a different direction. And now its "wildbill out".

It's annoying that you're trolling. Let me make a counter point to all your points: Unsafe driver+ high speed+ plus mismatched OEM rim with tire not rated for high speed + roll over= Putting innocent motorists lives in danger. It was a very stupid move and the driver (The OP's brother is lucky he didn't kill anyone or himself due to his stupidity.)

By the way, I moved back from North Vegas where this happened, and it's not all desert and there are a lot of motorists and congested traffic areas. Like I said, he's lucky he didn't kill himself or anyone due to his own stupidity.

[Hooligan90]

How the fuck does he wreck a car when your town is in the middle of a fucking desert?

Have you ever been to Vegas? I mean outside of the tourist trap? North Vegas is like any other city (Yes, it a separate city) and has lots of traffic. It's also a shit hole that is dying economically, hence why I moved back to So. Cal. at the end of 2011

[SilverShadow]

Like Button! Where is the Like Button when I need it!? Seriously, I don't think that could be said better.

I agree!
Sorry it was your friend or whatever, but a fool! I lived in Vegas and other cities from the East coast to the West and the worse drivers ..#1 county's worse are in Vegas.Fucking rude and tailgate like they need to be IN you car. NONE use signals and omg they love the horn!
So I'm not surprised this kid speeds on the new freeways there. Hot road and all that crap on his car..yet he hot dogs it and look what he gets? Let this be a lesson to all you idiots who show off their cars on city streets at high speeds and put you life and others at major risk. FOOL ..go slow so the people can see your work and go "oooooH! man that's nice"
Go for a ride ...come back alive.

[SilverShadow]

When I lived there in 81-83....you risked your life if you went to North Vegas! I lived nearer to the strip and now That area is residential slums. All the nice homes have been built in what once was the vast nothing when you came into Vegas on the 15 from LA. Henderson, Summerlin....even the bare Mount Charleston is now a major road!