I was thinking about buying a sub and an amp

[5spd92]

they all hate on it cause all they get is the pioneer stuff from walmart. they couldn't afford the quality stuff i guess, i own i pioneer HU and 6.5 door speakers they can handle what i throw at them.

[Paradien]

they all hate on it cause all they get is the pioneer stuff from walmart. they couldn't afford the quality stuff i guess, i own i pioneer HU and 6.5 door speakers they can handle what i throw at them.

I like how we judge on product quality cause were its sold.I have access to direct buy and can purchase pioneer products at nearly half retail price. Im pretty sure when i try pioneers champion spl series ill be at LEAST content with it.

Alot of people base alot of quality of woofers just by mere power,size,and other lil features of the sub it self. In true nature its how u use it.The proper box will really determine alot on the sound and quality.

For example

I had a bandbox for my twin kicker comps, id max out my amp seeing how far i could push them. Till recently i made a new box aimed at high spl. The new box completely surpassed the band pass box, she hits harder and louder and i haven't even maxed out my amp to pass my old box.

Pioneer has been around for ages, there lower end products are what they are lower end so people can afford them, can that be said for there higher end when no one has tryed them? I like pioneers receivers, if they can instill quality in receivers, and speakers then why not woofers.

[Brandoncb7]

I haven't used alot of Pioneer's products but the few I have used worked great. Hell I have one of their home stereo receivers that my parents bought when they got married over 30 years ago and it's still going strong lol. It's been pushing 2 12's, 2 15's about 8 tweeters, and 4 6.5's at full blast for a while now and I have no complaints.

[sonikaccord]

Nothing is more taxing on your speakers/subs maximum potential than doublekick.

Sine waves

[GenDBlade]

What's with all these new kids hating on Pioneer?
I've got a full Pioneer sound system, i'd swear by it

Four 6" 3ways
Headunit
Monoblock Amp
Champion Series 12" Sub

I have mates with sound systems of all kinds, cheap, expensive.. You name it
Mine keeps up with the best of them, and i listen to heavy metal.. Nothing is more taxing on your speakers/subs maximum potential than doublekick.

says the guy whos only at 163 post.

anywho. the Pioneer stuff that walmart sells isnt all that good. tho they do have decent 6.5s. but the bass output for them isnt all that good.

ive only ever liked the higher end Pioneer stuff, everything else is crap imo.

[90_f20b_cb7]

before i found that there is ore fun in tuning i was all bout sound systems(still am kinda) i have won many comp with my builds. have used just bout every brand you can think of. and i bump any thing from pendulum to 50 cent to dethklok to caspa & rusko. so my systems have to be able to bump like hell but still be clear as day. it really depends on what you want from your system. and how loud your prefence is.

lately i have started using quantum audio subs(2x10in). there high power out put and stable at 1ohm which if you want massive sound would be good idea to be 1 ohm stable. not to metion depending on how you set your control on you deck they can make your ears bleed with power of a dubstep blass line. but then w/a quick adj they hit every single note w/clairity when pounding out deth metal dbl pedal.

same goes with your amp. going with something stable at 1 ohm will offer a bit more flexiblity. again i am using a q.a. amp. being 1 ohm dosnt mean you have to run your system at 1 ohm though. something that helps clear things up is running power/ground wires away from the others. and not running your speakers off your deck will help as well.

for you mids and highs running 1 ohm amp isnt needed here. just use a good stong amp that has a good cooling ability. maily cuz you always using this amp. buy a 4chan amp for these speakers. then hook up each speaker to a chan. running your tweets w/your fronts(not connected to amp but to speaker its self). your choice here is a little more limited. eclipse, lighting audio(using for my mid high) or blaupunk or menphis audio would prob be best.

running proper wire sizes is also key. and get a power cap. it will save your batts life and will help sound quality too. and prob get rid of the lights dimming when it hits. so yeah hope that helps a bit.
if your wondering what i have its 2 q.a. 1500w 10in 1ohm stable subs 1 2500w q.a. 2 chan 1 ohm stable amp menphis audio mid highs tweets and a lightning audio 300w 4 chan powering the mid/high. its in my sunfire gt convert. i dont have anything in my cb7 but my dash and seat but last sound comp it pushed 165 decibles. but its power is turned down for daily use to bout 140 db. so yeah good hunting

[loud92CB7]

Ok for a sub...a Digital Designs 9515g in the recommended box or larger. with a Sundown SAZ-1000D amp...wait, you're down under so it might be stupid expensive there. Check it out anyway.

sir i know you know better then that. thats underpowering that sub sooo bad....

i jsut got my 3500's 12's back. for a grand you can do pretty well do u have a fear from buying online? sorry i didnt read the last page and a half but i could possibly imply some things others have not yet....

[loud92CB7]

before i found that there is ore fun in tuning i was all bout sound systems(still am kinda) i have won many comp with my builds. have used just bout every brand you can think of. and i bump any thing from pendulum to 50 cent to dethklok to caspa & rusko. so my systems have to be able to bump like hell but still be clear as day. it really depends on what you want from your system. and how loud your prefence is.

lately i have started using quantum audio subs(2x10in). there high power out put and stable at 1ohm which if you want massive sound would be good idea to be 1 ohm stable. not to metion depending on how you set your control on you deck they can make your ears bleed with power of a dubstep blass line. but then w/a quick adj they hit every single note w/clairity when pounding out deth metal dbl pedal.

same goes with your amp. going with something stable at 1 ohm will offer a bit more flexiblity. again i am using a q.a. amp. being 1 ohm dosnt mean you have to run your system at 1 ohm though. something that helps clear things up is running power/ground wires away from the others. and not running your speakers off your deck will help as well.

for you mids and highs running 1 ohm amp isnt needed here. just use a good stong amp that has a good cooling ability. maily cuz you always using this amp. buy a 4chan amp for these speakers. then hook up each speaker to a chan. running your tweets w/your fronts(not connected to amp but to speaker its self). your choice here is a little more limited. eclipse, lighting audio(using for my mid high) or blaupunk or menphis audio would prob be best.

running proper wire sizes is also key. and get a power cap. it will save your batts life and will help sound quality too. and prob get rid of the lights dimming when it hits. so yeah hope that helps a bit.
if your wondering what i have its 2 q.a. 1500w 10in 1ohm stable subs 1 2500w q.a. 2 chan 1 ohm stable amp menphis audio mid highs tweets and a lightning audio 300w 4 chan powering the mid/high. its in my sunfire gt convert. i dont have anything in my cb7 but my dash and seat but last sound comp it pushed 165 decibles. but its power is turned down for daily use to bout 140 db. so yeah good hunting

proof on the the `165 or prepare to get flamed im warning you now.

[hondalover505]

it does all depend on quality and the type of music you listen to. and it depends on what your trying to do with the car? do you just want to have a nice sound or do you want to blow the doors off your car? cuz if thats what you want pioneer does make good subs that sound real clear and can give you the bass you want. but alpine and also planet audio have good bass and good sound

[sonikaccord]

sir i know you know better then that. thats underpowering that sub sooo bad....

i jsut got my 3500's 12's back. for a grand you can do pretty well do u have a fear from buying online? sorry i didnt read the last page and a half but i could possibly imply some things others have not yet....

ha you're right, but I'm sure it'll satisfy him. If he wants more then he knows where to come.

proof on the the `165 or prepare to get flamed im warning you now.

x2

[loud92CB7]

ha you're right, but I'm sure it'll satisfy him. If he wants more then he knows where to come.



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im ready to jump all over that.... lol 165 in a daily and its just turned down to do 140 LMAO...

[90_f20b_cb7]

proof on the the `165 or prepare to get flamed im warning you now.

uhg what proof do i ned to give? i didnt win the comp but if theres any one here(slc) that has db reader i would be happy to bump it for ya. i would just post the old slips but i dont keep things that remind me i failed. i got the power for daily use at about 50%. its not uncommon for my crew to run ungodly systems in there daily you should see my buddys tahoe. gee wiz batman

[loud92CB7]

Well superman the fact is the cars that do 165 have about 20 batts 8 amps walls 2 18's of yeah the small amount of concrete that's poured into the vehicles. I worked for a guy that's holdin a couple of records. So yes you have failed an epic fail on your part till you provide proof. Also if your in the area I'll be more the happy to get the termlab out to back my statements up.

Next dc character ....

[90_f20b_cb7]

Well superman the fact is the cars that do 165 have about 20 batts 8 amps walls 2 18's of yeah the small amount of concrete that's poured into the vehicles. Also if your in the area I'll be more the happy to get the termlab out to back my statements up.

Next dc character ....

i am in slc and i could urn it for ya so you can db it. i worked in a sound shop for a few years is not ness to do all that to get to the 160's. but would be needed for the 180's and up.just mostly due to the fact sound dbls every 3db and the avg sound system with over 1500w hits around the 130db mark and its not a popularity contest its advise thread. so yeah. but if you know of some one here in slc that can print me a sheet im it to me and i will hit them up when i am in that area.

[loud92CB7]

i am in slc and i could urn it for ya so you can db it. i worked in a sound shop for a few years is not ness to do all that to get to the 160's. but would be needed for the 180's and up.just mostly due to the fact sound dbls every 3db and the avg sound system with over 1500w hits around the 130db mark and its not a popularity contest its advise thread. so yeah. but if you know of some one here in slc that can print me a sheet im it to me and i will hit them up when i am in that area.

highest number to date is a 181 by allen donte a guy from brazil whose is quite a funny man.. i spoke with once and met twice. and yes that is whats needed for 160's and up on tl meter. scott owens did a 180. sumthing i dunno remember but that highest legal number in the lanes. if you worked at a sound shop which one.. what kinda work do they do? 180's is unheard of unless its one of the 2 guys i just mentioned... everyone is still 178ish and haveing trouble getting higher. i have sat in a car that did 163 to be exact and its not sumthing u just tone down the gain on the amp and chill at the 140's. yes your right this is an advice forum and most of us on here dont like flakey advice.

if you have been to comps and done so well or atleast do the number you say you do post up some proof... trophies will help. ill be more then happy to show what few i have laying around.