cb7 projectors..

[vinbon63]

aww_shiet those are beautiful!

Just fmi, is it the H1 bulbs that are really crap output, and H3 are good output?

[AccordWarrior]

aww_shiet those are beautiful!

Just fmi, is it the H1 bulbs that are really crap output, and H3 are good output?

The H1 has a higher lumen intensity than the the H3. It's like 1450 to 1350. A 9006 bulb is at 900 or so for comparison. The H1 is used in the JDM 1-piece as the high beam.

The H3 has shitty output. Most fogs are H3.

I'm doing a comparison between the h1 and the 9006 this weekend.

EDIT:

The H3 bulb has a transverse mounted filament, which is good only for driving and fog lamps. The H1 bulb has an axial mounted filament, which is much like the H7 bulb (found in the non-HID headlamp of the Audi A4). While it might not be the best bulb for the application, it's far better than the H1.

My curiousity is how the projector affects output.

[aww_shiet]

The H1 has a higher lumen intensity than the the H3. It's like 1450 to 1350. A 9006 bulb is at 900 or so for comparison. The H1 is used in the JDM 1-piece as the high beam.

The H3 has shitty output. Most fogs are H3.

I'm doing a comparison between the h1 and the 9006 this weekend.

EDIT:

The H3 bulb has a transverse mounted filament, which is good only for driving and fog lamps. The H1 bulb has an axial mounted filament, which is much like the H7 bulb (found in the non-HID headlamp of the Audi A4). While it might not be the best bulb for the application, it's far better than the H1.

My curiousity is how the projector affects output.

Mike nailed it. I used to have H3s as headlight bulbs... ...it wasn't so good. Now I'm running D2S bulbs!

Oh and Mike, here's a quote from my friend who states the difference between stock halogen housings and projectors. I think this might help.

The difference between stock halogen housing and projector housings is that the stock halogen uses a large chrome reflector to reflect the source of light outout(lightbulb being on) to disperse light onto the road whereas a projector housing uses a small ball-like shape lens to disperse light onto the road efficiently and evenly without causing glare to other oncoming drivers.

What is the difference between projectors and reflector design?
EFFICIENCY).
Parabolic: 27%
Ellepsodials, 1st gen (found on early 90s BMW): 36%
Free form: 45%
Ellepsodials, 2nd gen (found on late 96+ Audi, BMW): 52%
There has been a trend that more and more wehicles go away from the traditional parabolic headlamp. The thick glass that are needed makes it a looser in the game of efficient lighting. It seems like the majority of auto manufacturer selects ellepsodials. They werent up to par in the first generation. The lower 180 degrees of the bulb output were practically not getting out of the housing. The second generation is designed with another focal point to increase efficiency.

BEAM CUTOFF). Projectors create a much sharper cutoff than reflectors. Allthough some parabolic reflectors can create pretty good cutoffs a projector will always be better. This has the main advantage that projectors can be aimed higher than reflectors because no stray light (above the cutoff) will exist to cause glare to oncoming drivers. This is especially important with high intensity light sources like HID and the new HIR halogen bulbs.

UNIVERSALITY). Projectors can be designed to be easily switchable from left drive to right drive beam patterns without loss of light. This usually done by turning the reflector housing in reference to the shield and you get the full 'opposite' beam pattern. UK needs this ability to drive legally on the continental Europe. This is why some cars for the UK market have projectors where the rest of the world don't. With a parabolic reflector, the 'kick up' part of the lens has to be taped up (so you lose the kick up completely).

VERSATILITY). Projectors are normally not used in combined high/low beam setups. Clearly, it's possible to have a moveable shield and this is just what happens with "bi-xenon projector" setups, but this would be very costly in a econo car with halogen setup. A regular H4 or 9007 application is much more cost effective.

Source Cited: http://faqlight.carpassion.info/hl-systems.htm

[maroonaccord2.2]

Bought my TSX projectors last night, I'm siked. I'll be starting my retrofit soon. Not sure if I'll do the color mod with washers or not......but I'm thinking not.

[AccordWarrior]

Mike nailed it. I used to have H3s as headlight bulbs... ...it wasn't so good. Now I'm running D2S bulbs!

Oh and Mike, here's a quote from my friend who states the difference between stock halogen housings and projectors. I think this might help.

Thanks for the info, Omar.

This is more a curiousity factor for me than a replacement for my stock lights. I am well, well aware that going HID with a proper projector is the way to go, but this experiment is costing me a total of $15 for bulbs, and a few hours of wrenching on my car to get them on. I received the lights for free.

I'm just curious to see if the Ebay projectors can be made to be better than stock headlights without the use of HID.

Of course from an aesthetic standpoint, I don't care much for the projectors, but for the winter, my car is going to look like poo anyways.

I figure if I make any marked improvements, I'll put them on my Mom's car once I'm done with them for the winter.

Of course, if the H1 does give marked improvements in lighting, it begs the question...would this be an effective fog light (think OEM) upgrade to make them functional?

I might put one in my foglight and just compare the output/beam pattery to my stock foglight. Who knows where this will lead us, right?

I even consulted www.danielsternlighting.com for information on just the bulbs. The H3 was listed as driving/fog only, while the H1 was listed as an ECE/SAE headlight.

Well, if all goes well, I'll have pics by Sunday.

[Accordolictx]

About Ebay...

I don't think everyone fully knows how Ebay works. Correct me if I'm wrong for this lol. Ebay is a host for the seller so that they are able to post the items they are auctioning off. Most of the items you see on Ebay are sold by individuals that help these companies post there items that they want to auction. My Uncle sells items on Ebay all the time. He has a special account setup with Ebay so that he's able to auction another companies items for them at a much cheaper price. He keeps his price between what that company pays for it and, the original amount that they are selling it for. He makes money off of this because by selling if for the company his commission based off the difference between the two prices and what he ends up auctioning it off for percentage wise (I'm not sure how that's calculated). Ebay does sell name brand products too. Ebay has nothing to do with the quality. The parts don't suck just because you got them off Ebay. It depends on what you want and what you are willling to pay. My friend bought some projector lights for his 96 Honda Accord and they work and look great. It's the bulbs you have to watch out for on these. I heard some use gas bulbs and others use the regular bulbs. I'm not sure which one is better. That's for you to decide.

[AccordWarrior]

So just an update. I put the H1'd projectors in and now I can't drive the car at night the light is that bad.

Projectors get the thumbs down from me now unless you get them to put HID in.

[Frazzums]

I don't think everyone fully knows how Ebay works. Correct me if I'm wrong for this lol. Ebay is a host for the seller so that they are able to post the items they are auctioning off. Most of the items you see on Ebay are sold by individuals that help these companies post there items that they want to auction. My Uncle sells items on Ebay all the time. He has a special account setup with Ebay so that he's able to auction another companies items for them at a much cheaper price. He keeps his price between what that company pays for it and, the original amount that they are selling it for. He makes money off of this because by selling if for the company his commission based off the difference between the two prices and what he ends up auctioning it off for percentage wise (I'm not sure how that's calculated). Ebay does sell name brand products too. Ebay has nothing to do with the quality. The parts don't suck just because you got them off Ebay. It depends on what you want and what you are willling to pay. My friend bought some projector lights for his 96 Honda Accord and they work and look great. It's the bulbs you have to watch out for on these. I heard some use gas bulbs and others use the regular bulbs. I'm not sure which one is better. That's for you to decide.

wow.