The Paint Thread...

[Laguna7]

^^^Haha The man himself makes a guest apperance!

[Raceboy]

^^^Haha The man himself makes a quest apperance!

^^^ um, ........It's GUEST apperance ya homo......

[Laguna7]

^^^great way to show people what NOT to post Tony...

[maroonaccord2.2]

Here is an example of a single stage laquer, it's not the best....but it's a good example of this style of paint finishing:

[Thomas_LX]

I love that guy!

TypeG is awesome. That guy introduced me to Mother's Plastic Polish and mag polish and all that crazy obsessively clean stuff. On a side note....
DO NOT SPRAY PAINT YOUR CAR WITH "HIGH QUALITY AUTO SPRAY PAINT"
I polished the paint right off my old 86 Accord so I decided since it was down to steel (Literally) I decided to spray paint it black... that did NOT look good.

[Laguna7]

Here is an example of a single stage laquer, it's not the best....but it's a good example of this style of paint finishing:

It looks great... But, You will NOT find this type of paint on ANYTHING that's new. You're not allowed to use Laquer paints anymore, especially in california.. You not even supposed to buy Laquer by itself.. The have new stuff called "gun cleaner" cuz that's all Laquer is used for! Thats pretty much the same shit just better for the enviroment i suppose... Now this does remind me of single stage paints though, a guy that comes to our shop has a 63' Corvette worth some serious $$$ and it has a single stage laquer... It does look good, Just not something I would shoot my car with...

[maroonaccord2.2]

Ya, basically all modern finished are more advanced....like base-coat/clear-coat finishes and baked finishes. Because the clears are catalized with hardeners they are a lot more durable and stand up to the daily rigors of commuting and the weather better. The old-school approach of single stage paints requires a lot more maintnance because they are soft, and are normally not durable enough to stand up to everyday driving and maintain a beautiful shine.

[Laguna7]

^^Great info...

[Clueless]

interesting....I'm learning new stuff everyday

[i'm the girl]

mmm old school lacquer paint

Yeah, sherwin williams does make automotive finsihes - and hear they're not to bad, but I'd stick to PPG or Sikkens

and if my IS is painted in a single stage, i'm impressed that they got such a high-quality pearl in there, (because it certainly LOOKS like a two stage)

I personally shy away from single stage in any case where i have the time, sorry to use a girly example, but to me, single stage paint is like 2-in-1 shampoo/ conditioner : no matter what you pay or what "quality" they claim, the finish is never as good as if i bought two separate products with the exact specifications im looking for

but as for housepaint - latex is not exactly made to bond to metal, and of course you can argue that if you prime it right you can paint it -latex is a VERY flexible paint even when dried - thats why it takes so well to the not so baby bottom smooth drywall surfaces of houses which tend to "break it up" and keep it in place - but the qualities of latex paint are not so that they could be sanded and tweaked and sprayed and all that stuff that makes a beautiful paint job a beautiful paint job on a CAR

urethane paints, which are most common in the auto painting process, cure (harden) at a much higher level, are much more durable and bond well to such smooth, not-so-porous surfaaces like metal -- they also take well to being coated sanded recoated and sanded again...etc... which is the crucial step in a deep color finish with limited orange peel


also remember as a rule of thumb, its not the best idea to mix different paints with different bases (latex or urethane or oil... etc...) even when cured they don't necessarily adhere to eachother and may actually chemically react in a way that would cause them to deteriorate or discolor at a faster or unpredictable rate ... keep that in mind with cars, interiors, anything ....

theres my novella - i'm done for now

[Clueless]

mmm old school lacquer paint

Yeah, sherwin williams does make automotive finsihes - and hear they're not to bad, but I'd stick to PPG or Sikkens

and if my IS is painted in a single stage, i'm impressed that they got such a high-quality pearl in there, (because it certainly LOOKS like a two stage)

I personally shy away from single stage in any case where i have the time, sorry to use a girly example, but to me, single stage paint is like 2-in-1 shampoo/ conditioner : no matter what you pay or what "quality" they claim, the finish is never as good as if i bought two separate products with the exact specifications im looking for

but as for housepaint - latex is not exactly made to bond to metal, and of course you can argue that if you prime it right you can paint it -latex is a VERY flexible paint even when dried - thats why it takes so well to the not so baby bottom smooth drywall surfaces of houses which tend to "break it up" and keep it in place - but the qualities of latex paint are not so that they could be sanded and tweaked and sprayed and all that stuff that makes a beautiful paint job a beautiful paint job on a CAR

urethane paints, which are most common in the auto painting process, cure (harden) at a much higher level, are much more durable and bond well to such smooth, not-so-porous surfaaces like metal -- they also take well to being coated sanded recoated and sanded again...etc... which is the crucial step in a deep color finish with limited orange peel


also remember as a rule of thumb, its not the best idea to mix different paints with different bases (latex or urethane or oil... etc...) even when cured they don't necessarily adhere to eachother and may actually chemically react in a way that would cause them to deteriorate or discolor at a faster or unpredictable rate ... keep that in mind with cars, interiors, anything ....

theres my novella - i'm done for now

I didn't know you knew a lot about paint

[i'm the girl]

I didn't know you knew a lot about paint

i have a diy on priming, too

there are a lot of things people don't know about me Im newer to auto paint than other mediums, but its just new materials, same concept/ application - and chemistry is chemistry

a lot of people like to push of paint as an easy thing - but its not - if you want a quality job. and what you all need to remember that PREPPING THE BODY is 95% of the battle

a million dollars worth of paint isnt gonna look good if your lines arent straight and your panels arent flat


**to add** using two- and three-stage paints give you more flexibilty bar none, because you're not getting it all wrapped up in one can. urethane of all the other auto-grade choices is your most common and therefore will be your most affordable pick - IMO its also the "easiest" of the evils to work with - just always remember to take your time

[Laguna7]

More Info. Added people!

[Makaveli2k]

Just have a couple of questions. when painting a car should you use horizontal strokes, and how far should you be away? If it makes a difference I'm going to be using a 2 stage paint process. also does the stroke direction or area in between the car and you matter when it comes to clear coat or base coat?

[TypeG]

interesting....I'm learning new stuff everyday

learning is good, so are creative juices. later.