I'm impress with the outcome of racing with a ls/vtec Integra

[Tenji]

Well, I have just got a 94 accord with a jdm h22a with stock f22 tranny, short ram intake and header, stock muffler and everything else. I though I would lose due to my disadventage with the longer gear ratio tranny, heavier car, and a p28(don't know how it's tune, but vtec was set at 5900). His car is a 93 integra ls/vtec with cold air intake, header and catback exhaust. He had won my brother 98 prelude Sh.(quarter mile and highway by almost 2 car) But I though I would find out if I had a chance with him before I swap in the h22a tranny and get the p28 retune plus installing my catback system. First race was flooring first gear. Pull on him by 1 and a half car(almost 2, not sure) Second was downshifting into second gear at 50. He downed first and he got almost a half car start on me. I was by his rear wheel. Once vtec kicks in at 5900. I pull on him, probably by 1 car length all the way to the end of 3rd gear. Try it again and same result. It does bother me on how easy I pull on him. I had drove his car and his car feel way faster then my. My car feel like it takes forever to finish every gear. It drop out of vtec everytime I shift due to the high vtec point, but I'm impress I still pull on him and win. I'll see if switching to a h22 tranny improve. I'll update in couple of weeks. Here's 2 pics

[koolkoreanked]

Not bad at all... I've thought about getting a prelude tranny too, but I've come to find out the only gear that having a f22 tranny in really hurts you is first. After first the car starts to take off. I get beat by most cars in first gear but after vtec and I hit second and third its over for them. Try getting a vfac and setting the vtec at a lower rpm... You'll enjoy the car a little more and if its still not fast enough for ya get the prelude tranny. My buddy has an accord (4 gen) with the accord tranny and runs mid 14s off the bottle and no mods besides the bottle. I haven't seen any stock h22 with h22 trannys do any better.

[HondaGuy1212]

sweet accord man it looks real clean i bet it performs real good too keep it up man

[h22sparkle]

switch tranny's and then your car will be more serious than most.

[deevergote]

The difference between the F and H trannies is VERY noticable. After driving both my DX (F22) and my LX (H22) the differences are definitely there. The H22 with the proper tranny is quite possibly .2-.3 seconds faster than with the F22 tranny (those numbers are just guesses... I have nothing to back that up)

[koolkoreanked]

^^^ True the h22 tranny will yeild faster acceleration but all I've seen out of both the h22 and the f22 tranny at the track is nothing but tire spinning in the first two gears and big chirp going into third... With the h tranny you have to shift into 4th by the end of the quarter while the f you can just say in third. I have no doubts that the h tranny is faster but out of both I've seen the same 14.5 quarter mile time. Now on slicks the h22 tranny will be faster no doubt.

[Fearit22]

Not bad at all... I've thought about getting a prelude tranny too, but I've come to find out the only gear that having a f22 tranny in really hurts you is first. After first the car starts to take off. I get beat by most cars in first gear but after vtec and I hit second and third its over for them. Try getting a vfac and setting the vtec at a lower rpm... You'll enjoy the car a little more and if its still not fast enough for ya get the prelude tranny. My buddy has an accord (4 gen) with the accord tranny and runs mid 14s off the bottle and no mods besides the bottle. I haven't seen any stock h22 with h22 trannys do any better.

The f22 and h22 transmissions both have the same gear ratio in first. So if you car is slow off the line you probably just don't know how to launch it.

[Tenji]

That's what I want to know. If there's anybody here have any suggestion to this f22 tranny vs h22a tranny, let me know. All I know and hear is that the h22a have shorter gear and would be better, but there's really no solid comparasion between them two on the h22a, dyno would be nice. I would hate to get a h22a tranny with little to no improvement, except it'll just feel faster. (example, my cousin's integra ls/vtec above feel way faster, I meant it pull harder then my, yet I pull on him.) While the money could be spent on cams and such. I love to go turbo, but finding someone/shop to tune it/install it is my problem, money ain't the problem. So I'll tay N/A for now

[koolkoreanked]

The f22 and h22 transmissions both have the same gear ratio in first. So if you car is slow off the line you probably just don't know how to launch it.

compared to before my car is way slower off the line. I dont remember ever hitting 45 in first gear with a h22 tranny but it could be that my tach is off and I'm just way over revving in first. It makes sense cause my car never fell out of vtec going into second shifting at 8k on the tach. But what am I talking about... preludes are slow in general in first. Same with most dohc vtec hondas.

On second thought theres no way a f22 and h22 tranny could have the same first gear ratio... and even if it is, the final drive is different so the top speed in first would be off anyways.

Tenji: The h22 tranny will make the car feel faster but it wont be. My buddies h22 prelude feels much faster than my car. Pulls harder and just flat out seem fast. When we race I pull at least 1 or more cars on him depending on if I shift at 8k or just past it. Even when we switch cars, my car is still faster.

[h22sparkle]

thats because your car weighs lighter than his. The f22 tranny can only get you so far. DOnt be slow man you would have stood a good chance had you did your swap right the first time and didnt cheap out on that tranny. Take it like a man.

[koolkoreanked]

thats because your car weighs lighter than his. The f22 tranny can only get you so far. DOnt be slow man you would have stood a good chance had you did your swap right the first time and didnt cheap out on that tranny. Take it like a man.

If your talking about me I didn't cheap out on the swap... I have no reason to cheap out. My tranny was suppose to be a h22 tranny but the guy at the junkyard got the part number wrong or some. Anyhow long story short I ended up with a 97 accord tranny instead of a 97 usdm prelude tranny. I have a h23 tranny and a h22 tranny both ready to go in once I decide what I want to do with this car. If I go boost I'll either keep the f22 tranny or swap in the h23 tranny, but if I keep it n/a I'm going with the h22 tranny. You make no sense? Stood a good chance at what? keeping my motor? The motor blowing was a good thing. Gives me more of a reason to speed up my boost project or n/a project if I even decide what to do. If all else fails I'll just swap this one for the other h22 on the way and just sell the head. Cheap out lmao try again.
We need to settle this by taking a h22 down the track with a f22 tranny, and then swapping it for the h22 tranny and doing it again. They will run almost identical times at the track cause of the few tenths lost in having to shift to 4th with the prelude tranny. On the street h22>f22. but on the quarter mile track h22=f22.

[Dirty Harry]

The f22 and h22 transmissions both have the same gear ratio in first. So if you car is slow off the line you probably just don't know how to launch it.

It's not just the individual gear ratios, it's the final drive... F22 = 4.0x where H22 = 4.266. That's what makes most of the difference.

What the fuck, nobody else knows/mentioned this??!

[koolkoreanked]

It's not just the individual gear ratios, it's the final drive... F22 = 4.0x where H22 = 4.266. That's what makes most of the difference.

What the fuck, nobody else knows/mentioned this??!

On second thought theres no way a f22 and h22 tranny could have the same first gear ratio... and even if it is, the final drive is different so the top speed in first would be off anyways.

Yeah I mentioned it.... its was just in a the middle of alot of other crap.

[Dirty Harry]

Yeah I mentioned it.... its was just in a the middle of alot of other crap.

GOD DAMN IT my bad, that's what I get for trying to skim posts half drunk...weee...

[Dv8]

At least you don't make posts like I do. HAH!