ugh, swap help

[JYardBandit]

ok so right now im at uconn and my car is home, and the whole time im up here the only thing i do is figure out stuff for my gsr for when i get home, and this summer im going to do a swap, that much im sure of..

right now im stuck though,

my final options are

~F20b >> H2B adapter >> gsr tranny

~H22a >> H2b adapter >> gsr tranny

~or a b20 block/gsr head build, but they seem to be hit or miss

so i like the idea of an h22, just i like the higher rev's of the f20b more than an h22, but idk how i would go about getting the SIR-t version of the F20B, and even if i did, how much more expensive it would be, as of right now, i found a JDM f20b on hmotorsonline.com for only 999$, but im not sure how high it can rev nor do i know the powerband...

(btw what is the redline for a JDM f20b )

im seriously considering calling my dad tomorrow afternoon and asking for a 1k loan due to this deal

as of right now i really want the SIR-T version of the f20b, but im not sure how id go about getting it. then the h22 or jdm f20b are just about dead even in my book

so idk what to do, please helpppppp spread your f/h series knowledge on me

[NAiL05]

People have done the F20B in civ/teg chassis. Fit in there pretty good.

[fatboy1185]

are you wanting to go all motor or turbo? is it going to be a daily driver? whats wrong with the gsr motor thats in it right now?

[Chrisisiced]

whats wrong with the gsr motor thats in it right now?

Thats what im wondering cause with all the money that would be spent on an h or f swap you could build that gsr and make it just as fast for possibly less money. Looking at what you're trying to do your gonna spend ~1g on a motor h2b kits aren't cheap at least 600+ not to mention mounts and axles. So if you did everything yourself then its about 2g's. If you paid a shop to do it......

With that same money Id snatch that head off and fully rebuild it a nice stage 3 cam + all the other valvetrain upgrades that go along with it valves springs etc etc. A little port and polish wont hurt while your at it maybe a new IM and finally cap it all off with a decent tune. That'll surely get your car moving fast And with those upgrades you'll definitely get the higher revs your looking for as well...

[nolehorridus]

everything you ask has been covered a few times. just take a few minutes to read up on that shit then come up with some questions. you sound like you're at the very start of the process and there is a lot left to be decided.

[JYardBandit]

are you wanting to go all motor or turbo? is it going to be a daily driver? whats wrong with the gsr motor thats in it right now?

it would be somewhat of a daily driver, im only home from like may-september.

theres nothing WRONG with the gsr motor, just its torque

if i were to build it, it would be faster, only it wouldnt run as nicely as a slightly upgraded H22 or F20b. I think stage 3 cams and an aftermarket valvetrain would drive me insane. the whole point of doing one of these motor swaps would be so i wouldnt have to worry about building everything perfectly and still having it run like sh!t. If i had an h22 or f20b with just bolt ons, it would be a 13 sec car out of the box.

[JYardBandit]

im 98% sure this would be a N/A build btw, ive heard too many horror stories to go boost with it

[King James]

id boost the gsr....that would give you more torque....but you said you dont like boost....So do whatever one is easier...Id go with the h22 personally though

[Fake Thug]

B series> H series. Reason why?...Aftermarket support. The main advantage the H has is torque/displacment. Which is good, but a H22 in my opinion just aint worth the money. Not even for a CB7. Both the F22 and B18 have a few advantages over the H. Your C1 has about 138 ft lbs of torque? Thats not bad for your DC. If you had a bigger car I would understand...For Na I'd say B18 head build, itbs, etc or CR/vtec.

[d112crzy]

The main advantage the H has is torque/displacment. Which is good, but a H22 in my opinion just aint worth the money.

but $3k of 1.8 liters of vtak is?

[nolehorridus]

Which is good, but a H22 in my opinion just aint worth the money. Not even for a CB7. Both the F22 and B18 have a few advantages over the H.

ain't worth the money? probably one of the better "dollar per hp" honda motors you can get. about $6-9 per HP (with the tranny and full swap).

GSR motors are more for less, type r motors are more for less, and a lot of the other motors are just underpowered. you have to do a lot to an f22a just to put out stock h22a power.

and what are these advantages in the real world? i know everyone is gonna boost their car to run 9's, but in reality, that doesn't happen. the h22a is not failure prone and is tough, it can handle boost about as well as the f22a (it just makes quite a bit more power) and better than the b18c and the h has plenty of options. hell, the h22a is BETTER SUITED for boost due to the superior efficiency of the head design. engines move air, turbos force more air into the engine to be moved, and the h22a moves air better than the f22a AND gsr b18c.

if they had put the h22a into a civic, it would be considered THE motor to have.

the f20b has enough options but is less powerful than the cheaper h22a, but has more power than a stock gsr motor.

it's also pointed in the direction of N/A already, if that's worth anything.

i'd personally get the h22a and with a few bolt ons, you could be putting down 175-180hp and running 13's in your gsr.

[mayberry]

h22 with the h2b are K KILLERS /thread.

[Fake Thug]

the h22a is not failure prone and is tough, it can handle boost about as well as the f22a (it just makes quite a bit more power) and better than the b18c and the h has plenty of options. hell, the h22a is BETTER SUITED for boost due to the superior efficiency of the head design. engines move air, turbos force more air into the engine to be moved, and the h22a moves air better than the f22a AND gsr b18c.
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There is more to boost than headflow. ..Typically...in most cases, the top end of the engine is not your primary concern when it comes to boost. Its the bottom end, and in that deal, the H loses..Sorry.



Whats the point of being able to make so much power if you cant contain it? Like I said, the signifigant advantage of the H is displacement. Which cannot be overlooked.

h22 with the h2b are K KILLERS /thread.

Whats this about K killers? ....As in K series?...


I'll assume that you were talking about chrysler k cars, but if you were not.....Do you know that the full potential of the k series has not yet been realized? Even though there is a 700hp rsx out there?

[d112crzy]

H series can support over 300whp without a problem.

[JYardBandit]

it seems at least from what ive found, that crvtec isnt the most reliable of builds..

the whole point to swapping an f or h motor is that i can keep it close to stock (full bolt ons and maybe stage 1 cams) and not have the car run horribly with stage 3 cams and building the bottom end and full valve train just to try and gain some more hp out of a 1.77 L motor. As of right now the gsr has probably 125 tq and 175ish hp (crank). with a motor just under 1.8L it takes a lot of building to get it as high as say a slightly upgraded H22(R) w/ bolt ons and low stage cams with 2.2L