Viper ACR faster than ZR1 and GT-R

[owequitit]

hmmm so lets review the facts, when you are at the super market do you compare apples to apples or apples to oranges?!. this "title" that the viper has claimed is of a near totally different class as the GTR. the ACR has SERIOUS aero, most likely a full underbody tray, possibly no AC or NAV, 4 cylinders more, 2 seats less, one GIANT wing more, and 100 HP more than the GTR. and how much does one of those male enhancement pills cost anyway? 100k or more? i dunno. i am no nissan fanboy BTW, secondly... that thing needs a longer final drive and a driver that knows the difference between 3rd and 5th LOL dude went 2nd to 5th twice bwwwaaaAAAAHHHH mm bluhhhhhh **SHIT!!/FAIL!!** mm BWAHHHH **WOOHOO** HAHAHAHA goes to show you dont need alot of brains to have alot of money or access to "da ring"...this thread= uberfail to me. there may be closer comparison to the zr1 but bringing the GTR is like a knife to a gun fight with less cylinders less power and more weight right???

-sean

Sounds like a copout to me. According to the internet banter, the almight GTR was unbeatable (of course, what else would you expect 5,000,000 Nissan fanboys to believe) and clearly that isn't the case.

For some change more (it isn't like a GTR is cheap, and doesn't represent Nissan's best effort) this car obliterates it. And it does so without computer aid, and with clear additional performance left in it. 4 seconds isn't a miniscule time you know.

[Dv8]

Its old. Its still expencive. Its extremely difficult to drive. Best of all, it has a soul. Dodge aint got shit on Ferrari.

[TurboZach]

Any car that takes skill is a lustworthy car. Any jackass with 60 hours of GT4 time can get a fairly good time out of a GTR, but put them in something like the old F40 and you'll really see where they'll stack up. Racing used to be about the skill of the driver, now the playing field's been fairly leveled due to technology. That's why the acr is hot. Put two drivers in the cars and it's not a dead even race. Put two drivers in GTR's and you'll consistently get very similar 1/4 out of them.

That being said I'll take any one of them.

[kc8enb07]

anyone even know the Viper is more European design than dodge? the engines are made by Lambo. at least were orginally.

Id prefer to drive a Viper over the new GTR. I prefer a R34 over the new GTR as well.

Just dont want a computer driving for me. Bc what if they fail, or just turn off leaving a unexperienced driver w/ a 430whp? car.

I wouldnt trash a Viper, nor newer Vettes. and in all honestly if someone gave me a GTR, Id rock it. Who wouldnt? but I am disappointed that Honda seems to be falling WAY behind. they dont even have anything to run w/ a STI or EVO.

[NAiL05]

anyone even know the Viper is more European design than dodge? the engines are made by Lambo. at least were orginally.

Id prefer to drive a Viper over the new GTR. I prefer a R34 over the new GTR as well.

Just dont want a computer driving for me. Bc what if they fail, or just turn off leaving a unexperienced driver w/ a 430whp? car.

I wouldnt trash a Viper, nor newer Vettes. and in all honestly if someone gave me a GTR, Id rock it. Who wouldnt? but I am disappointed that Honda seems to be falling WAY behind. they dont even have anything to run w/ a STI or EVO.

V10 made by lambo in a dodge? What the hell. They got shafted dirty if that was true. I dont recall lambo making a v10 back in those days from what I recall they were focused on their v12s. They put a truck trans in the old vipers. From what I know its all american no european influences. The only difference is that the new viper was designed by a japanese dude. The SRT10 bodystyle. OTher than that it has been pretty american. R34 still has a decent amount of computers in it. R32 is where its at.

[owequitit]

anyone even know the Viper is more European design than dodge? the engines are made by Lambo. at least were orginally.

Id prefer to drive a Viper over the new GTR. I prefer a R34 over the new GTR as well.

Just dont want a computer driving for me. Bc what if they fail, or just turn off leaving a unexperienced driver w/ a 430whp? car.

I wouldnt trash a Viper, nor newer Vettes. and in all honestly if someone gave me a GTR, Id rock it. Who wouldnt? but I am disappointed that Honda seems to be falling WAY behind. they dont even have anything to run w/ a STI or EVO.

How is Honda falling way behind?

They have NEVER made 5,000,000 HP cars that could look good in a video.

Having said that, there is currently a Honda with 550+ HP running around the ring right in this league of cars despite being a mule, with camo, and no aero aids helping. And when you hear it run, it is quite clear that Honda really isn't that far behind anyone...

[Fake Thug]

Just dont want a computer driving for me. Bc what if they fail, or just turn off leaving a unexperienced driver w/ a 430whp? car.

O.

I like you and all and am not attacking you, so dont take offense because I'm not talking about you but that statement annoys me. The computer does not drive for you. It can help with launches(if you choose), it eliminates lag between shifts constantly staying in its powerband. Everything tech on that car acts as an AID including the VDC/R.

What if it fails and turns off leaving an unexperienced driver with a 430hp car? Well if its off it wont go nowhere or will alert the driver somehow so whether or not the driver is experienced is really not relevant. Its not like 80% mechanical/30% electrical cars dont fail and leave unexperinced drivers with whatever hp cars on the side of the road.

The driver has not been replaced.Skynet isn't sitting in the driver's seat driving for you. So that statement is just retarded. To be politically correct you can say its a computerized sports car. So was the R34. This is what skylines are. God forbids difference and insists we should only have certain type of sports cars for all or only define a sports car as <whatever insert bullshit opinion here>

May not be 'pure' but it is a sports car make no mistake. The driver still has to handle it, still throttles and brakes it.I doubt anyones mom here can go that fast around the ring circuit if all given the same chance under the exact same circumstances.

It all comes down to opinion and everybody has an asshole. Its all about driver preference because guess what? Not all drivers want the same thing and just because its harder to drive that does not make it better. Just say its not your cup of tea and stop there. Whatever else u say is bullshit.

So that garbage argument goes down in flames like the T1000. Unfortunetly that "it drives for you" bullshit is being repeated as if its fact. The GTR and its computers are not that smart. It still needs a driver.

This gtr/zr1 v acr argument is non functional anyway. Thats like comparing my sexual stamina to a vibratoring dildo with duracell ultra batteries. I'm good but those are duracells. It makes no sense. A street legal RACEcar on dot r compound tires vs street cars with full interiors/comfort/anemities. Christ.

[owequitit]

I like you and all and am not attacking you, so dont take offense because I'm not talking about you but that statement annoys me. The computer does not drive for you. It can help with launches(if you choose), it eliminates lag between shifts constantly staying in its powerband. Everything tech on that car acts as an AID including the VDC/R.

The driver has not been replaced.Skynet isn't sitting in the driver's seat driving for you. So that statement is just retarded. To be politically correct you can say its a computerized sports car. So was the R34. This is what skylines are.

May not be 'pure' but it is a sports car make no mistake. The driver still has to handle it, still throttles and brakes it.I doubt anyones mom here can go that fast around the ring circuit if all given the same chance under the exact same circumstances.

It all comes down to opinion and everybody has an asshole. Its all about driver preference because guess what? Not all drivers want the same thing and just because its harder to drive that does not make it better. Just say its not your cup of tea and stop there. Whatever else u say is bullshit.

So that garbage argument goes down flames like the T1000. Unfortunetly that "it drives for you" bullshit is being repeated as if its fact. The GTR and its computers are not that smart. It still needs a driver.

This gtr/zr1 v acr argument is non functional anyway. Thats like comparing my sexual stamina to a vibratoring dildo with duracell ultra batteries. I'm good but those are duracells. It makes no sense. A street legal RACEcar on dot r compound tires vs street cars with full interiors/comfort/anemities. Christ.

To a point you are correct, however, how capable would the GTR be without those computers?

While claiming they drive for you is false, so is claiming they don't really do much to help. They are AIDS, but they are aids that allow the car to achieve things that a car that large and heavy probably would not otherwise achieve with such ease, if at all. Nissan isn't shy about the fact that they use computers to allow the car to do things that probably otherwise wouldn't be possible.

[verothacamaro]

About time a viper guy showed up on here. We finally disagree on something. Awesome.

The GTR was topdog around the ring and it took two top of the line ultimate model brutes to knock it down. Thats what I mean't by dethrone. I'm sorry that it went over your head.


Other than the FACT that the the vette outsells and outperforms the viper in 'some' areas lets take a lookse at a few opinions that might matter to someone.


http://www.drivechicago.com/heart.ph...2&rev_num=1310

Honestly for the price difference there is no reason that the viper shouldn't completely obliterate the vette in everything. Surely the top notch dodge parts cannot cost that much more.

Quality, speed, handling,finesse,technology, looks, practicality,etc. With a ferrari it makes sense after I looked at **everything**. Oqi was right about that and I now agree with him. Now convince me that the viper is justified in its price.


http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews...onclusion.html



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LGLNXpSkgw


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMr4QHchkD4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsK_XwAv0eM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzwG2...eature=related


http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...onclusion.html

I'm winded.You should google instead of catching feelings. Pay CLOSE attention to what the guy from 5th gear said about that overpiced piece of shit.

Shyt for giggles I think we should do a cb7 poll on vette vs viper topic.


http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...omparison_test

^wow..look at that. I found one website that agrees and disagrees with my point of view.

......Did you see the Video of the ACR Viper going around the track?

I hope you and I both saw how effortlessly and mediocre the actualy run was. The constant hitting of the rev limited, even in the straights proves how slow the car was actually driven.


In comparison, The GTR was a handful and would oversteer on a few occasions.

The Viper didn't just knock the GTR from it's throne, it damn near disenfranchised it's 'record'.


The Vette is a relatively cheap Mass produced Chevy, whereas the Dodge Viper is actually handmade with limited numbers of them being sold.

For the price of a Viper, there aren't too many cars that can compare.

[verothacamaro]

V10 made by lambo in a dodge? What the hell. They got shafted dirty if that was true. I dont recall lambo making a v10 back in those days from what I recall they were focused on their v12s. They put a truck trans in the old vipers. From what I know its all american no european influences. The only difference is that the new viper was designed by a japanese dude. The SRT10 bodystyle. OTher than that it has been pretty american. R34 still has a decent amount of computers in it. R32 is where its at.

Lamborghini doesn't make the V10's....they helped design the heads. Nothing else.