Why are you so against Seafoam and SN2BH22CB7 is all for it? I know how it works and in theory sounds good, but what expierences have you had?
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Originally posted by HondaGuy1212You don't need to seafoam your car every oil change. You do it once.
I do it every oil change ( to keep my engine clean )
TO EACH THEIR OWN...
I maintain my CBs on a meticulous level.
if something is wrong with em...for example...say the passenger side CV joint starts clicking...guess what...I change BOTH sides.. ( regardless if the driver side is good or not )
say...the ignition starts getting faulty....I change everything thats ignition related ( as a package ):
Distributor
plug wires
plugs
battery posts
starter wire ( negative )
ALSO ** check the resistance of the ignition switch.
say...Im getting fuel problems...
I replace:
Main Relay
Fuel Filter
and run seafoam through the fuel lines ( VIA gas tank )
then if that fails...
after diagnosis...
I replace the fuel pump if I find its faulty
Say..I start hearing wobbling or a whirling sound...right?
I will inspect each wheel....and if either side has a wobble..
I replace BOTH side wheel bearings and hubs.
if I get the chance...I also will replace the balljoints ( upper ..lower..and tierod ends )
^ thats what ( I ) do...
( you get my drift ? )
SO, for the ones that against Seafoaming your engine.....( thats all up to YOU )..but don't sit there and go against the grain of someone that maintains their CB on a detailed level.
Thank you and have a nice day!
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Originally posted by bcjammerxDO NOT SEAFOAM!!! NEVER add something to your oil other than oil...clean the throttle body...use some injector flush every 30k...but do NOT flush your engine or use seafoam.
If your t-belt has over 75k miles then change it...if you don't know...change it. You can go maybe 90k...prolly even over 90k...in fact I'm sure you can go over 90k...but why risk it?
Also change your seals (cam and crank seals) not a bad idea to change the oil pump seals too and the balance shaft seal...I'd have to look into what all seals you need...it's easy to buy the same seal twice due to how they are talked about.
when you put seafoam in your oil...you sit ..run it at Idle...for about 3-5 minutes...THEN ....run some cheap oil through it....for about 5 minutes...THEN..put the good shit in with a high quality oil filter.
NEXT...
when you change the Tbelt...you have to change the waterpump too..as a package.
I always change the seals of the pulleys the belt turn..which ^ stated.
Cam seal...Balance shaft seal...and Front main. ( entire front end seals )...yeah...its a 50/50 chance...you can reuse the old oil pump...but if you start getting into the front main...go ahead and replace the oil pump while you're changing everything else out.
but on the seafoam IN OIL...you have to do it very carefully...( DO NOT DRIVE IT )..let it idle..to get through the passages...( to clean them from gunk )
so it goes:
Seafoam in old oil..
let idle for 5 minutes tops..
DRAIN..
put cheap oil/ filter in..
Let it idle for 5-10 minutes..
DRAIN..
then..
Put Good oil and good dollar filter on.
then ..
check for leaks...and drive
WHAT ARE THE RISKS you ask?
the risks are...you could OVERclean the engine..meaning..what gunk is helping your piston rings seal...you could clean it..and cause blowby ( burning oil/ loss of compression in one of the cylinders )
thats the risks...
but I have NEVER had a problem
that comes from meticulously maintaining my vehicles! ...if you slack..you cause problems!Last edited by SN2BH22CB7; 12-30-2007, 09:52 AM.92 LX. A6 with GUDE bullfrog Cam. M2S4 transmission..Gutted H23 intake mani. The rest you will just have to find out!
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whoa that A LOT of money to spend on a DIY oil change. What like 50 bucks at least? so 5.10x2 for seafoam (10.20) + 4qts cheap oil/filter (12.95) + 5qt jug Synthetic Oil + Filter @ walmart (30.00) = $53.75, not to mention 2x the labor draining from car. And you probably do this like every 1500 mi? damn, that's dedication.
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Originally posted by Losiracer2whoa that A LOT of money to spend on a DIY oil change. What like 50 bucks at least? so 5.10x2 for seafoam (10.20) + 4qts cheap oil/filter (12.95) + 5qt jug Synthetic Oil + Filter @ walmart (30.00) = $53.75, not to mention 2x the labor draining from car. And you probably do this like every 1500 mi? damn, that's dedication.
you only need 2 cans of seafoam...
1 for the gas tank...and 1 for the split...( intake 1/2 )..( oil 1/2 )
being I do both cars...yes...it does get expensive...but I do this..to KEEP both CBs in good running order!92 LX. A6 with GUDE bullfrog Cam. M2S4 transmission..Gutted H23 intake mani. The rest you will just have to find out!
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your oil is a certain viscosity for a reason...lower that and you risk bearing damage...that isn't noticeable immediately.
plus seafoam doesn't have any protective properties...oil does...oil is one important aspect of engine cooling also...double wammy.
it is a bad idea to run anything other than oil in your oil...seafoam is not oil...even at idle.
Engine flush is on the same level...this stuff is not a good idea.
Also don't use that stp oil treatment...it's like 90 weight...that shit don't flow...bad bad bad
now a tb cleaner ran through the tb is ok...just don't overkill on it...but in the oil...no sir.
you need to be carefull with what you put in the tank too...some stuff causes build up on your spark plugs (high octane boost gas tank additive)Last edited by bcjammerx; 12-27-2007, 08:42 PM.____
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Originally posted by bcjammerxyour oil is a certain viscosity for a reason...lower that and you risk bearing damage...that isn't noticeable immediately.
plus seafoam doesn't have any protective properties...oil does...oil is one important aspect of engine cooling also...double wammy.
it is a bad idea to run anything other than oil in your oil...seafoam is not oil...even at idle.
Engine flush is on the same level...this stuff is not a good idea.
Also don't use that stp oil treatment...it's like 90 weight...that shit don't flow...bad bad bad
now a tb cleaner ran through the tb is ok...just don't overkill on it...but in the oil...no sir.
you need to be carefull with what you put in the tank too...some stuff causes build up on your spark plugs (high octane boost gas tank additive)
if you read what I posted...you would see WHY and HOW I use it!
I put it in my oil right before I change my oil...to clean out the passages from gunk ( if there is any )..
I have been using seafoam before oil changes for YEARS...and I have NEVER had a problem with any cars that I have used it in.
the DUMB thing to do is....run seafoam in the oil....( add to oil and drive )...now..THATS IDIOTIC ..
thats NOT what I said..... you made it seem I said it in that way....RE-READ.
you're only suppose to use seafoam in the oil if you're going to clean the gunk out ( if theres any buildup ) and the clean the small oil passages and canals through the entire engine ( Crank oil passages DO get build up...using seafoam right before an oil change helps clean that out )
but NEVER drive the car with seafoam in the oil ( seafoam breaks down the viscosity. )
thats why I said...IDLE for no more than 5 minutes....DRAIN...run cheapie oil through it....DRAIN...then put the good oil in with nice good filter!
Im sticking to what ( I ) do... other people do different things...but Im sticking to what I do...and all I know ( on the seafoaming )...seafoaming my cars helps it alot! ...cleans the intake....helps clean out the carbon on the EGR ports...helps clean the fuel lines...( so yeah...I stand by seafoaming any car...IF DONE CORRECTLY )92 LX. A6 with GUDE bullfrog Cam. M2S4 transmission..Gutted H23 intake mani. The rest you will just have to find out!
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Originally posted by SN2BH22CB7thats why you dont keep it in there that long...
if you read what I posted...you would see WHY and HOW I use it!
I put it in my oil right before I change my oil...to clean out the passages from gunk ( if there is any )..
I have been using seafoam before oil changes for YEARS...and I have NEVER had a problem with any cars that I have used it in.
the DUMB thing to do is....run seafoam in the oil....( add to oil and drive )...now..THATS IDIOTIC ..
thats NOT what I said..... you made it seem I said it in that way....RE-READ.
you're only suppose to use seafoam in the oil if you're going to clean the gunk out ( if theres any buildup ) and the clean the small oil passages and canals through the entire engine ( Crank oil passages DO get build up...using seafoam right before an oil change helps clean that out )
but NEVER drive the car with seafoam in the oil ( seafoam breaks down the viscosity. )
thats why I said...IDLE for no more than 5 minutes....DRAIN...run cheapie oil through it....DRAIN...then put the good oil in with nice good filter!
Im sticking to what ( I ) do... other people do different things...but Im sticking to what I do...and all I know ( on the seafoaming )...seafoaming my cars helps it alot! ...cleans the intake....helps clean out the carbon on the EGR ports...helps clean the fuel lines...( so yeah...I stand by seafoaming any car...IF DONE CORRECTLY )
throttle body is coolness...and putting it just in the oil to try and clean out the oil pan without running it like that is whatever...don't see the harm there.
...you say you don't put it in your oil and run the car...but then you talk about a situation in which you might...that's where I got that...but anyway...
I would never run anything but oil in the oil...if it's that gunked...running that won't do anything...trust me..I've had to clean out several engines like this...one had 45 k and ONE oil change...the other was a celica gts that had hardened crusty oil everywhere...either way...this stuff only came off one way...elbow grease...no cleaner would do it.
Running through the intake is cool...there are some additives you don't wanna do this with...but cleaners are mostly ok...anyway...____
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Originally posted by bcjammerxthrottle body is coolness...and putting it just in the oil to try and clean out the oil pan without running it like that is whatever...don't see the harm there.
...you say you don't put it in your oil and run the car...but then you talk about a situation in which you might...that's where I got that...but anyway...
I would never run anything but oil in the oil...if it's that gunked...running that won't do anything...trust me..I've had to clean out several engines like this...one had 45 k and ONE oil change...the other was a celica gts that had hardened crusty oil everywhere...either way...this stuff only came off one way...elbow grease...no cleaner would do it.
Running through the intake is cool...there are some additives you don't wanna do this with...but cleaners are mostly ok...anyway...
Drive it? NO...I didn't say that...where did you get that buddy?
did you read what I said CAREFULLY?
anyhoo....
alot of people misinterpet my words....I dunno why..some just do!
but its all good!
all I know ( repeat ) I have been using seafoam for many years...and I do it in extreme detail....and NO, I dont DRIVE it when seafoam is in there..
running it ( my words )...meaning IDLE ( letting it sit and idie )...during the flush process!
old oil and cheapie oil...
I only drive em when I put the good oil and good filter on...thats all! ...I have no clue where you got that ( MIGHT DRIVE WITH SEAFOAM IN OIL ) from???
oh well...if you thought that....nope...I don't...if you took it the wrong way...my bad! ( thought Id clear that up )
NOTE: on the hard crusted oil...thats why you stay on top of maintaining the cars....slacking off...causes problems what you decribed ( crusted oil ) means lack of maintainence. but you are right my friend...if its that bad....good ol disassembly and elbow grease is whats best for that situation.
( for THAT situation )Last edited by SN2BH22CB7; 12-31-2007, 11:48 AM.92 LX. A6 with GUDE bullfrog Cam. M2S4 transmission..Gutted H23 intake mani. The rest you will just have to find out!
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Originally posted by HondaFan81Expect to start replacing suspension bushings, they tend to dry rot/fall apart around this mileage.
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