It's in the announcement, but I'll say it here too... Classifeds are gone for now.

[MadSpleen85]

That is not something any of the moderators on this site want to deal with. Then the blame ends up shifting to us.

Yes I realize that deev and all of the current moderators more then likely dont have the time to take this on alone. I would be willing to be volunteer myself to take care of it for a trial run until deev can decide on whether or not he thinks it is working or not and if that time deev decides he doesnt like it or there is still too much trouble with the classifieds then they will be gone forever, and if he decides that this may just work then either he can appoint a moderator to take care of it or find a new moderator to handle only the Classifieds. Later

[YellowCord]

PHATNESS101 is selling those. PM him and u can still get one. mines getting shipped out tuesday.

i already has mine, it on my car right now, best deal ever!!!

[sackingz123]

wtf...

i been gone for a day from cb7tuner and this HAPPENS!!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo

[203Cree]

I'll say it right now, I was probably one of the ones complaining the loudest about getting scammed. Couple points:


1) I don't care if you *think* you can shirk repsonsiblity for what happens on this board. End of the day, YOU DO have a responsiblity to the members to provide a safe place to spend money if you're going to have a classified's section. You provide the means for people to buy/sell shit, you have some accoutablitly in the transaction, wether you'll admit it or not. You can say you had no hand in the deal all you want, but if you KNOW someone is ripping off other members, you have a responsibility to the good members of the board to step in and do something.

2) The attitude of "You got scammed, I don't care" is absolutely the shittiest standpoint I have ever heard from an Admin of a website. You should care. The members are what this board is here for. Without them, you'd have nothing. When people get burnt and have no one that "cares" about them, they find another place to call home. Enough people get a sour taste, the word gets out, and suddenly you're left with a web page that isn't doing anything but sucking up server space.


3) The "It's the buyers fault". Yeah, okay. Like you know when someone is gonna run off with your money. You had NO feedback system, NO place for people to post negative transactions, and anytime someone made a thread to inform others to watch out, it was deleted. Might as well take a cut of the money, because, again, wether you admit it or not, that's helping the scammers rip off another unsuspecting member in the future.


4) "Ban the scammed, not the scammers". That has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Let's punish the victim and let the perp get off scott free. I'm glad our legal system isn't run by some of you dumbfucks. Jesus.

Sorry some of us are more "vocal" about people being thieves.

I know for a fact that my sig was on of the one's you were refering too. I know I've started a few threads on my issues as well. If you won't personally stand up and say "Hey, watch this guy, he's scammed in the past" in order to help look out for other members interests, someone else has to. You can't just pass the buck, otherwise it comes to shit like this.

I'm done with my issue. I pressed charges. Simple as that. I'm sad to see that person is still a member here. At least now, tho, he won't have the opportunity to fuck someone else over.

[93twodoorLX]

this whole fucking situation is lame

edit: nothing against you mike i wouldnt want an inbox full of whinny bullshit either. but you and i both know there is no fool proof solution

-sean

[quakerjoe]

If Deeves didnt have the disclaimer saying he wasnt responsible for anyone elses actions regaurding money, then yes he would be accountable for every scam. The blame can go either way, though. If you did not research the seller or the item or take the time to ask more questions then clearly its your fault. The scam could have been avoided only if you took the procaution before hand. If you took all the neccesary procautions and the seller still decided to scam you then its clearly the sellers fault. Deeves has no fault in this.
Yes he provided a way for you to buy and sell, but he warned you if you read the disclaimer like you were suppose to. And yes i do believe that there is a responibility to warn people, but it is not just Deeves responsibility. I think it is on everyone. Some people think of this place as a community and that is what a community does. It looks out for each other.
If you want to blame all of this on Deeves then you also need to blame all of the successful transactions on him to and realize how fortunate you are for what he had created for you.
Since Deeves is not at fault really people should not even look to him to take a side. He warned you that he had no part in your transaction and now you look to him to punish the person on the other end of the deal? How does that work? He's not the authority of the world. He can not police like you say he can. He simple runs this website. You did go to an authority figure and i say good for you. Thats what you should do. Not complain to Deeves. He did one of the few things he could and now your bashing him for that as well.
If he went and banned another member for scamming all the would have to do is create another account and like he said fly under the radar.
There is no win win situation.
I think there should be a neg feed back system that is controled solely by mods. When a scam has occured then the mods are asked to add a black mark to the sellers name on the list. Of course this is after they talk to the seller. Of course its not full proof but i dont know that any system is as full proof as abstenence.
I think Deeves is just tired of all the "I told you so's" he has to pass out and then the people not listening. Sorry for the novel but Deeves has done nothing wrong. He has paused a problem that he is trying to solve for everyones benefit. Like he has stated this site is for info not selling/buyinf/trading parts. We are getting a bad rep out in the world because of this which is scaring off potential members. This is where what you want and what he wants clash and guess what he wins because he does own the site. This does not mean he has not taken contributing members thoughts and ideas into consideration.
Sorry if ive offended anyone but its childish to complain.

[m-tec93accord]

i have a question, well make that 2 questions:

1) what exactly is the problem now, i mean, just do it thru paypal.....whats so hard in doing it thru paypal

2)FUCKING USE PAYPAL GENIUS, so again whats the problem again.....

how can u be scammed exactly, sorry for being ignorant, i just got up no too long ago, but i see either the ebay thing or paypal transaction. WHY THE HELL WOULD U JUST SEND THEM MONEY LIKE THAT??????, just send them a check or hell give them your debit card or whatever(who does that), i dont understand how you can be scammed

[DA92CB7]

paypal pwnz you noobs . . . . deeve for getting rid of some of the scum that lurk on this site though I will miss looking at whats new for sale when I get off work it was o so fun.

[m-tec93accord]

paypal pwnz you noobs . . . . deeve for getting rid of some of the scum that lurk on this site though I will miss looking at whats new for sale when I get off work it was o so fun.

i really think they do, still though, i really cant see how can you be scammed.

why would you send money to a complete stranger w/o some type of recorded reciept and insurance for the transaction

thats why confirmation numbers, shipping tracking #'s, reciept, etc. exist.......

I DONT KNOW, but i wouldnt have taken down the classfication section, b/c its not the scammers that are the problem, its the idiots who buy things w/o common sense.

you gotta be street smart if you going to do somthing that you a)cant see; b) over the internet and c)entails money

disclaimer, i not bagging on anyone, just using your sn as example:

but i wouldnt buy SHIT from deev, any moderators, or even the pope if i didnt have some type of assurance that i'm getting what i want

[203Cree]

paypal pwnz you noobs . . . . deeve for getting rid of some of the scum that lurk on this site though I will miss looking at whats new for sale when I get off work it was o so fun.

Whatch who you call a newb. Join date is irrelavant 9 times out of 10.

If Deeves didnt have the disclaimer saying he wasnt responsible for anyone elses actions regaurding money, then yes he would be accountable for every scam.

Disclaimer or not, the transaction still takes place here.

The blame can go either way, though. If you did not research the seller or the item or take the time to ask more questions then clearly its your fault. The scam could have been avoided only if you took the procaution before hand. If you took all the neccesary procautions and the seller still decided to scam you then its clearly the sellers fault.

You're absolutely right. But when we're not allowed to post the negative stuff, or it gets deleted as soon as it's posted, how are we to know that we CAN'T trust someone?

Deeves has no fault in this. Yes he provided a way for you to buy and sell, but he warned you if you read the disclaimer like you were suppose to. And yes i do believe that there is a responibility to warn people, but it is not just Deeves responsibility. I think it is on everyone. Some people think of this place as a community and that is what a community does. It looks out for each other.

Again, you're absolutely right. It IS on everyone. But it seems the majority of people here don't really care all that much about other members. Trust me. From what I've seen on the boards, this is one of the LEAST tight knit groups I'm part of.

If you want to blame all of this on Deeves then you also need to blame all of the successful transactions on him to and realize how fortunate you are for what he had created for you.

I'm not trying to blame anyone but the person that ripped me off. Sorry if you see it that way.

Since Deeves is not at fault really people should not even look to him to take a side. He warned you that he had no part in your transaction and now you look to him to punish the person on the other end of the deal? How does that work? He's not the authority of the world. He can not police like you say he can. He simple runs this website. You did go to an authority figure and i say good for you. Thats what you should do. Not complain to Deeves. He did one of the few things he could and now your bashing him for that as well.
If he went and banned another member for scamming all the would have to do is create another account and like he said fly under the radar.

Listen, I'm an Admin on two other sites and a contributing member to a half dozen or so more. On each and everyone of them, the admin take an active role in the classified section. No, we can't stop scams from happening once. But, we can stop them from happening again. IP bans are usually quite effective. And usually, when someone comes back from a ban under a different name, it's pretty easy to spot them as they follow the same posting patterns.

The Admins job is to protect the members and make the board run smoothly, not just own the site and watch it run.

There is no win win situation.
I think there should be a neg feed back system that is controled solely by mods. When a scam has occured then the mods are asked to add a black mark to the sellers name on the list. Of course this is after they talk to the seller. Of course its not full proof but i dont know that any system is as full proof as abstenence.

vBulletin software has an iTrader rating built into the coding that works a lot like the ebay system. I don't know if it's availiable on the ver. running here tho.

The ONLY reason I even made a stink about it was because once I found out I'd got taken, I found many others that had the same happen to them from the same member. Now I can afford to lose 200 bucks. Others can't, and they shouldn't have to. That's why I asked if that member would be banned. If you want to sit back on your ass when someone screws you and watch them do it again, that's fine. Your peragative. I don't do that tho.

All it takes for bad men to win is for good men to do nothing.

I'm done now.

['93accordse]

I'll say it right now, I was probably one of the ones complaining the loudest about getting scammed. Couple points:


1) I don't care if you *think* you can shirk repsonsiblity for what happens on this board. End of the day, YOU DO have a responsiblity to the members to provide a safe place to spend money if you're going to have a classified's section. You provide the means for people to buy/sell shit, you have some accoutablitly in the transaction, wether you'll admit it or not. You can say you had no hand in the deal all you want, but if you KNOW someone is ripping off other members, you have a responsibility to the good members of the board to step in and do something.

2) The attitude of "You got scammed, I don't care" is absolutely the shittiest standpoint I have ever heard from an Admin of a website. You should care. The members are what this board is here for. Without them, you'd have nothing. When people get burnt and have no one that "cares" about them, they find another place to call home. Enough people get a sour taste, the word gets out, and suddenly you're left with a web page that isn't doing anything but sucking up server space.


3) The "It's the buyers fault". Yeah, okay. Like you know when someone is gonna run off with your money. You had NO feedback system, NO place for people to post negative transactions, and anytime someone made a thread to inform others to watch out, it was deleted. Might as well take a cut of the money, because, again, wether you admit it or not, that's helping the scammers rip off another unsuspecting member in the future.


4) "Ban the scammed, not the scammers". That has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Let's punish the victim and let the perp get off scott free. I'm glad our legal system isn't run by some of you dumbfucks. Jesus.

Sorry some of us are more "vocal" about people being thieves.

I know for a fact that my sig was on of the one's you were refering too. I know I've started a few threads on my issues as well. If you won't personally stand up and say "Hey, watch this guy, he's scammed in the past" in order to help look out for other members interests, someone else has to. You can't just pass the buck, otherwise it comes to shit like this.

I'm done with my issue. I pressed charges. Simple as that. I'm sad to see that person is still a member here. At least now, tho, he won't have the opportunity to fuck someone else over.

1. he did something, he closed classifieds. the end.

2. without the members here, deev would be $80 richer a month.WE are in debt TO HIM, not vice versa. he doesnt rely on us for anything other than entertainment. like i said earlier, we're on his playground.

3. it is the buyers fault if you get all excited when you come across that ultra-rare jdm piece and send some douche your money without taking a few seconds to search classifieds to see how his other transactions went down. disclaimers were in place. It's like saying its Deev's fault for someone getting hurt following a DIY. because he PROVIDED a place to read the information therefore by your equation fault = deevergote. "damn you deev for letting me read how to do a 5-lug swap and then letting my control arm pop out on me on the freeway. it's all your fault. ban the member who wrote it."

4. the scammed get banned for not following rules regarding "bashing" threads or "bashing sigs". If you got scammed its no one on this boards fault. if said scamee therefore starts a whole bunch of threads and general unrest in the community it is then in the interest of the moderators and admin to ban said member for not following rules. You knew the risk buying online and you took them, then chose to offset your misfortune on the owner of the site, who disclaimed all responsibility of your transactions. You then proceed to make a sig that is in direct violation of the rules. bye bye.
Scamming sucks, it does, but it exists. Everyone on here took chances in the classifieds. Maybe on other boards the admins there want to get involved. The guys here don't want the headache. Cut them some slack. Deev deserves our respect and gratitude for keeping this open without demanding anything from us besides to follow his rules.

[quakerjoe]

Whatch who you call a newb. Join date is irrelavant 9 times out of 10.



Disclaimer or not, the transaction still takes place here.



You're absolutely right. But when we're not allowed to post the negative stuff, or it gets deleted as soon as it's posted, how are we to know that we CAN'T trust someone?




Again, you're absolutely right. It IS on everyone. But it seems the majority of people here don't really care all that much about other members. Trust me. From what I've seen on the boards, this is one of the LEAST tight knit groups I'm part of.



I'm not trying to blame anyone but the person that ripped me off. Sorry if you see it that way.



Listen, I'm an Admin on two other sites and a contributing member to a half dozen or so more. On each and everyone of them, the admin take an active role in the classified section. No, we can't stop scams from happening once. But, we can stop them from happening again. IP bans are usually quite effective. And usually, when someone comes back from a ban under a different name, it's pretty easy to spot them as they follow the same posting patterns.

The Admins job is to protect the members and make the board run smoothly, not just own the site and watch it run.



vBulletin software has an iTrader rating built into the coding that works a lot like the ebay system. I don't know if it's availiable on the ver. running here tho.

The ONLY reason I even made a stink about it was because once I found out I'd got taken, I found many others that had the same happen to them from the same member. Now I can afford to lose 200 bucks. Others can't, and they shouldn't have to. That's why I asked if that member would be banned. If you want to sit back on your ass when someone screws you and watch them do it again, that's fine. Your peragative. I don't do that tho.

All it takes for bad men to win is for good men to do nothing.

I'm done now.

okay, sorry i wasnt trying to personally attack you at all. You were just the person i posted under. To be honest i dont know the capabilities of these systems or software. So once again sorry, didnt mean to offend you. I was hoping to help reiterate what deeves had said, so he did not have to. The man is having a hard enough time with this and should have to keeping stating the same thing over and over.He has better things to do.

Anyways, you and i have a couple different veiw points, but that is what it is. Im not going to change your mind about it and vise a versa, but that is nothing of concern. So, dont worry mate. I wont say anything else. Be happy.

['93accordse]

Disclaimer or not, the transaction still takes place here.

so? everywhere has disclaimers, just because you go to a paintball field and take off your goggles and shoot yourself in the eye, guess what? they have a disclaimer against that. They cant be held accountable cuz of your stupidity. Doesnt matter where it takes place if theres a disclaimer in place.

You're absolutely right. But when we're not allowed to post the negative stuff, or it gets deleted as soon as it's posted, how are we to know that we CAN'T trust someone?

no bashing threads, however, within the FS threads you could usually see how a transaction was going. Therefore a quick search of the member would have yielded all FS threads and you could judge from those transactions, or even PM members who bought from them.

Again, you're absolutely right. It IS on everyone. But it seems the majority of people here don't really care all that much about other members. Trust me. From what I've seen on the boards, this is one of the LEAST tight knit groups I'm part of.

then leave

I'm not trying to blame anyone but the person that ripped me off. Sorry if you see it that way.

oh well. blame them. dont bring it to the board when you know the disclaimer policy. It's not our fault you got scammed.

Listen, I'm an Admin on two other sites and a contributing member to a half dozen or so more. On each and everyone of them, the admin take an active role in the classified section. No, we can't stop scams from happening once. But, we can stop them from happening again. IP bans are usually quite effective. And usually, when someone comes back from a ban under a different name, it's pretty easy to spot them as they follow the same posting patterns.

The Admins job is to protect the members and make the board run smoothly, not just own the site and watch it run.

good for you but you're neither here so you dont have a say. If you don't like it then leave, simple as that. Obviously if the team here decided to get involved they would. they dont want the headache. who cares what other sites are doing?
The admins job IS to own the board and run how he see's fit. No one forced you to sign up here nor was any sort of "protection" implied in your registration form.

vBulletin software has an iTrader rating built into the coding that works a lot like the ebay system. I don't know if it's availiable on the ver. running here tho.

even someone with a stellar trader rating can screw someone. All it takes is one transaction. Then who you gonna blame? Deev again?

The ONLY reason I even made a stink about it was because once I found out I'd got taken, I found many others that had the same happen to them from the same member. Now I can afford to lose 200 bucks. Others can't, and they shouldn't have to. That's why I asked if that member would be banned. If you want to sit back on your ass when someone screws you and watch them do it again, that's fine. Your peragative. I don't do that tho.

All it takes for bad men to win is for good men to do nothing.

I'm done now.

Deev did something, just not what everyone wanted. Instead of bans deev opted to eliminate the root of the problem. problem solved and still everyone bitches. no wonder deev feels like he can't win with you all.
In order to do bans deev would have to sift thru threads and pms and arguments and hear people make cases on why they were scammed, proof they were scammed etc.... then make a decision on who to ban, how long, monitor for their ip's etc.....obviously, he doesnt want to deal with it. So therefore, eliminating classifieds was the easiest and most effective route and he took it.

[cleanz_28]

its sad to see this happen,
my current engine is built by part bought here on cb7.
I think theres a way to make Ebay listing private with a password.

[shadetreecustom]

you know i sit here and i read all this and think to myself what would i do if i was in deevers shoes...............well instead of getting in pissing matches with each other we need to look at the big picture and stop all the pissing and moaning before he shuts the whole fuckn thing down.......

and than we can all look in the mirror an say WAY TO GO DUMBASS WE ALL GOT IT SHUT DOWN