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    #16
    Originally posted by lokuputha
    owequitit u make some really good points...my posts have seemed a little tree hugger and could possibly be a little more rational, but is so easy to jump on the wagon


    yes, water vapor is definitely a major cause of global warming...its won't deter global warming at all, especially if every car in the world takes on the new hydrogen technologies which produce more water

    ....now if we can only run an engine with existing water as a means of propulsion and returns water as a by product...i dream.




    found it: http://www.theaircar.com/howitworks.html

    pretty interesting, somehow they are able to make the engine work for a longer period....

    "The MDI con-rod system allows the piston to be held at Top Dead Centre for 70º of the cycle."

    "When there is no combustion, there is no pollution. The vehicle's driving range is close to twice that of the most advanced electric cars (from 200 to 300 km or 8 hours of circulation) This is exactly what the urban market needs where, as previously mentioned, 80% of the drivers move less than 60Km. a day."

    LOL! Your posts weren't too bad, and I wasn't trying to attack you as much as the "documentary."

    When you start scratching below the surface, the polish on the veneer quickly fades.

    I was all for the electric car when it first occured. I used to read the EV1 issue of Popular Mechanics over and over, but the technology just didn't pan out.

    Now, we can either take the lesson and move on, or we can piss and moan and point fingers, and force legislation all to prove AGAIN that it doesn't work.

    My biggest problem is that the ultra liberal faction of Hollywood wants to blame everything that doesn't go their way on the evil gas companies or the Republicans, when 90% of the time that is just pure bullshit.

    Then when pissing and moaning doesn't work, they make a "documentary."

    Only it isn't really a "documentary" because it isn't a fair and unbiased appraisal of the situation. It is a one sided peice of "art" that is used to promote an agenda. At that point it isn't a documentary at all. It is propaganda.

    The problem with propaganda is that for most people who aren't going to look below the surface, they believe it hook line and sinker as long as the term "documentary" is attached to it. Why? because it is drilled into our heads as little kids that "documentaries" are good for our brain and nobody would ever lie to us...

    In many cases that is true. Usually, the History Channel, the Discovery Channel, National Geographic, PBS etc are fairly unbiases and get as in depth as they can in the time allotted.

    You will also notice that with a true "documentary" they will typically address that there are more questions than answers and we don't know all of the answers... They also don't choose sides. They only present relevant information.

    Then we have this new trend in Hollywood of which Michael Moore is the fat bastard on the spearhead.

    This new trend is to take politically biased information, and present in a manner that seems to be neutral and benign to try and push an agenda.

    This is not as overt as what the Nazi's in Germany did, but it is EXACTLY the same tactic.

    Bowling for Columbine is a good example. The only thing that was clear at the end of that movie (it seemed to be about nothing) was Moore's desire for gun control.

    Farenheit 911 is another good example. Everything in that "documentary" was about how evil Bush was.

    They specifically mentioned a gas pipe that was built during Bush's first term...

    Had it been an actual "documentary" they would have mentioned that Bill Clinton was actually the President who signed the bill into law that lead to the creation of that pipeline.

    Instead, they presented it in such a manner as to make it look like Bush's fault to give you one more little thing to hold against him, even though he had nothing to do with it.

    I would honestly believe that they were really that stupid, but the tactics are too subtle and hidden to not be on purpose...

    That stupid Pentagon conspiracy video is another good example. They present a bunch of little white lies and small truths to build their case, and then people buy it. They don't really lie, which I guess is a bad word for it, rather, they don't tell you all the facts.

    It took me less than 5 minutes to blow that theory to hell just knowing what I know about aviation. Looking further, very little of that stood or remained unanswered, even though they wanted to pretend it did.

    For instance "the entrance hole" they like to talk about how it is barely larger than a window. The windows on the Pentagon LOOK like regular old style windows. What they don't tell you is that those windows are something like 8 feet tall. How odd that the fuselage of a 757 (the plane that hit the Pentagon) is 20' in diameter and the hole appeared to be 2.0 times the size of a window...

    Of course they don't tell you that because it doesn't build their case.

    The strategy they use simple. We are going to take all of the facts and we are going to present the ones that build our "case" and then we are going to call it a documentary so that people will believe what we want them to believe. You are basically seeing 1/2 of the story. Many do actually believe it!

    Then when people can legitimately question their position, we will just throw out the excuse that "they are just blinded by the man" or they aren't intelligent enough to understand, or they are part of the conspiracy.

    I am not anywhere near the smartest person I know, but I DO know how to ask questions. And I DO know how to look for the answers, and I DO know how to talk to the people that have the answers.

    Who killed the Electric Car is a good example.

    They never mentioned the 20 mile range did they?

    They never mentioned the 20 hour wall socket charge times did they?

    They never talked about the fact that GM lost several hundred thousand dollars on each one and was going to have lose several hundred thousand more did they?

    They never mentioned what effect climate had on the battery did they?

    In LA where the temps are usually in the 60's year round it isn't a big deal.

    Everywhere else it is.

    So if they were really trying to do mankind a favor, why didn't they tell them that?

    There are over 300,000,000 people in the US. Only about 20 live in LA. How much of a service are they doing if they don't tell the other 280,000,000?

    It is propaganda, even if they didn't do it on purpose.

    Cliff's Notes: If it is a "documentary" from Hollywood, it is probably a lie.

    They should be called shockumentaries or mockumentaries or something else.

    That is the main reason I reply to these threads. To help prevent the spreading cesspool that is Hollywood's elite. At this point they have no more world value than politicians.

    Of course, reality TV and expanded media coverage are making that blatantly obvious at this point, so they have to come up with new ways to protect their sphere of influence.

    Clearly, they aren't above lying and cheating, which proves my last point.
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      #17
      amen....

      so what do u think about the current super sporty electric cars?
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        #18
        Originally posted by lokuputha
        amen....

        so what do u think about the current super sporty electric cars?

        I think they are awesome.

        As long as you are realistic about what you are getting.

        They are clean, they can be VERY fast depending on how they are setup, and they can have all of the dynamic charachteristics of a true sports car.

        I have no problem with the technology.

        I have a problem with the technology being portrayed as the end all solution to the world's problems.

        I think the Tesla Roadster looks pretty cool. It is too early in development, but we will see if it actually delivers the goods.

        It would be like a grown man's Powerwheels!
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          #19
          Yeah, I think they have pretty good motorsports potential...

          I am currently working with my university on a Formula SAE race car powered by a CBR600RR motor...we'll c if we can enter the Formula Electric competitions in a couple of years and utilize this electric technology
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            #20
            Originally posted by lokuputha
            Yeah, I think they have pretty good motorsports potential...

            I am currently working with my university on a Formula SAE race car powered by a CBR600RR motor...we'll c if we can enter the Formula Electric competitions in a couple of years and utilize this electric technology

            It is funny that you mention that. We have a Formula Electric car at my university that was campaigned a while ago. I don't think the club is together or on campus anymore, so it just sits in a machine shop, plus it was expensive for the University.

            It VERY easily achieved 130MPH though.
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              #21
              What of the new chevy volt idea?

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Volt

              Seems the same as you described the EV1

              General Motors states that battery technology available as of 2007 is not sufficient to store the 16 kilowatt-hours of energy required for the vehicle, at least not without significant cost. GM has plans for a vehicle platform due in 2009 which will be compatible with an E-Flex drivetrain.[6] However, the company believes that a suitable battery technology will not exist until 2010 or 2012. If the Chevrolet Volt becomes a production vehicle, those would probably be the earliest dates it would be available. It would have to be price-competitive with other compact cars, and GM is targeting a range of $17,000 to $18,000, not including the price premium for the batteries and other components.[7] At the time of the Volt concept's unveiling, GM's estimates for the battery pack's cost using existing technology ranged as high as $20,000. GM stated they likely wouldn't consider producing the vehicle until the cost was reduced to $4,000 or $5,000.

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                #22
                Originally posted by accordaffair
                What of the new chevy volt idea?

                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Volt

                Seems the same as you described the EV1

                yeah thats about the same idea...its good they are still working with the technology.

                I can't wait until the world's petroleum runs out...imagine the advances in technology that will have to happen

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by lokuputha
                  yeah thats about the same idea...its good they are still working with the technology.

                  I can't wait until the world's petroleum runs out...imagine the advances in technology that will have to happen

                  i dream
                  Just FYI. Don't expect it in your lifetime.

                  There are over 900 years of proven and probable reserves at current levels of consumption. They are finding more everyday, but the Chinese are the real variable.

                  They are the variable, because if their population mobilizes like ours and others have, there will be consumption on a scale not seen before.

                  Currently, they are giving us a run for our money in terms of petroleum demand (the real reason for the escalating crude oil prices, most of the rest can be traced to capacity loss caused by Katrina, and increasing taxes) and only about 15% of their population is mobilized.

                  Hopefully, the technology will pan out BEFORE we run out of petroleum because we use it for a lot of stuff other than moving cars around.
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