Whats your opinion?

[Clueless]

it does?!

i thought it just continued the historic tradition of underpaying people for invaluable jobs in this country that otherwise wouldn't be done.

i know damned well i didn't grow up with a single person who wants to or is willing to go to work in the strawberry fields, work in an orange grove, be a janitor at the hospital, wash the dishes at the local restaraunt...

I washed dishes at a local restraunt...so? By opposing this bill, should we allow murderers loose even though they broke the law?

[Shuebakka]

Isn't this the same right party that wanted to pass the law that allowed illegal immigrants to legally get drivers licenses so they could illegally legally drive in this country? Yea that still doesn't make sense to me. But I think that this bill, which I know absolutely none of the details about, is messed up and spells trouble. And the point about how everyone who aids them in anyway would be a criminal as well, that's not good for about everyone.

[d112crzy]

well, if the US made it easier, im sure ALL of them would be legal. every illegal immigrant that i know wants to be legal, but it's so hard nowadays, they wont do it. it takes about 5 years to even be able to apply, then u gota go to classes, and that takes a while. thing is they dont have time for that. they work 7/7 days, over 8 hours a day too.

I'm sure ALOT of americans would complain if there wasnt any immigrants. This country relies on immigrants to keep it running. who is gona pick/plant fruit. im sure americans wont. would u caleb? I mean shit, you dont even have a job.

I dont mean to low blow, but I get defensive about this shit. americans have no clue how it is to be an immigrant. they think its easy to become legal.

yea, I also know that there are those fuckers that come here to sell drugs. those, I do not speak for because they are low life's and give immigrants/latino's a bad name.

but, im done with this thread. I dont wana get heated up over the internet. I dont wana say anymore, and its not worth my time.

I have to go read up on tuning anyways.

[Clueless]

Isn't this the same right party that wanted to pass the law that allowed illegal immigrants to legally get drivers licenses so they could illegally legally drive in this country? Yea that still doesn't make sense to me. But I think that this bill, which I know absolutely none of the details about, is messed up and spells trouble. And the point about how everyone who aids them in anyway would be a criminal as well, that's not good for about everyone.

Actually, it's the liberals that want's to allow the law breakers to continue breaking the law. Don't get me started about illegal mexicans driving(was hit by one)...

[Clueless]

I'm sure ALOT of americans would complain if there wasnt any immigrants. This country relies on immigrants to keep it running. who is gona pick/plant fruit. im sure americans wont. would u caleb? I mean shit, you dont even have a job.

I probbly would if there are any around here...keep in mind I was laid off at work.

[Riceburnin91]

same here one hit me and tried to run and when i cought up to HER!!!! she was crying and all this bull shit!!!!!! so follwed her to were she lived and got her name and all this shit and i told her if she had a liscence and isurance she said yes and later on when i asked her for them she said that she didnt have neither so but at the end she paid me 100.00 bucks to get a new door and repaint it also all these illegals are taking inocent peoples identity like mine but the same time i support this law and the same time i dont for all those hard working illegals out there trying to meet ends meet and trying to make a better life out here in america thats my two cents!!!!!

[Shuebakka]

Actually, it's the liberals that want's to allow the law breakers to continue breaking the law. Don't get me started about illegal mexicans driving(was hit by one)...

Aye. Yes thank you for correcting me. It was just a california thing originally and is one of the reasons davis got recalled, because the cali people hated it and Schwarzenegger opposed it.

[uncle_el]

I washed dishes at a local restraunt...so?

like i said, i didn't grow up with anyone that wanted or was willing to wash dishes at a local restaraunt. since i didn't grow up with you, my statement sitll stands. my grandmother used to wash clothes for people who only let her in through the back door... but that's another subject for another time.

By opposing this bill, should we allow murderers loose even though they broke the law?

i don't think one would compare murder to illegal immigration. after all, one is a felony (murder), while the other is not. if one were to compare all crimes and lump them together, than one would say that driving above the posted speed limit is akin to rape is akin to murder is akin to stealing a loaf of bread.

but since it seems quite ridiculous to make these comparisons, i will state that no, by opposing this bill, we should not allow murders loose even though they broke the law.

as is stands, illegal immigration is just that, illegal. there's no need to make it a felony. this is, of course, the beauty of what the powers that be/republican party is doing... it's already illegal, it's a crime that's already on the books. making it a felony doesn't make it anymore illegal. making it a felony is wholly unnecessary.

now, if they were talking about enforcement, that'd be an entirely different issue (though it would truthfully be interesting to see which lawmakers in washington d.c., and even in our state legislatures wouldn't be guilty of hiring/employing illegal immigrants). however, lawmakers aren't talking about enforcing laws that are already there because they know that it's laughable. it's understood that illegal immigrants, no matter how "illegal", are overwhelmingly doing jobs that we "legal" americans (a funny term, as the founding fathers of this country were illegal immigrants, but i idigress...) aren't willing to do in huge numbers.

[uncle_el]

Actually, it's the liberals that want's to allow the law breakers to continue breaking the law. Don't get me started about illegal mexicans driving(was hit by one)...

Aye. Yes thank you for correcting me. It was just a california thing originally and is one of the reasons davis got recalled, because the cali people hated it and Schwarzenegger opposed it.

actually, it was proposed by vicente fox, president of mexico, and backed by president bush first...

[excalibur02]

eh didnt really follow any of it...

it took me 16 years to get my resident card! then I finally became a citizen sept of 2004.

[JaK FRoSTWhiTE]

eh didnt really follow any of it...

it took me 16 years to get my resident card! then I finally became a citizen sept of 2004.

Good Job Ricio

[wrichards2005]

same here one hit me and tried to run and when i cought up to HER!!!! she was crying and all this bull shit!!!!!! so follwed her to were she lived and got her name and all this shit and i told her if she had a liscence and isurance she said yes and later on when i asked her for them she said that she didnt have neither so but at the end she paid me 100.00 bucks to get a new door and repaint it also all these illegals are taking inocent peoples identity like mine but the same time i support this law and the same time i dont for all those hard working illegals out there trying to meet ends meet and trying to make a better life out here in america thats my two cents!!!!!

Dude you live in Phoenix, imagine living in Tucson. Illegals cannot drive worth a shit, not to mention they don't have any respect for anybody (potentially why Tucson has one of the highest car theft rates in the country). Hit and run accidents occur all the time here, because the dude doesn't want to get deported so he just drives off. Then if you only have liability insurance, you're fucked... I work at an Autozone 50 miles north of Mexico and 75% of the people that go in are mexican. They expect you to speak spanish, and if you tell them you don't (just cause I don't feel like it, cause I really know some spanish), they'll start cussing at you in spanish and shit. I'm not saying that mexican people are bad or anything, but I just think there should be standards for migrating to the US, not only from mexico, but from other countries too.

[Clueless]

eh didnt really follow any of it...

it took me 16 years to get my resident card! then I finally became a citizen sept of 2004.

+1 for doing it the right way....gj mate!

[texasvtak]

I like hispanics, they are quiet, polite, hard workers, they're chrisitian so the right should like them...I say more hispanics is a good thing!

VIVA TACOS!

So thats why that one fucker pissed on my moms fence when they reinforced the foundation.

[Clueless]

like i said, i didn't grow up with anyone that wanted or was willing to wash dishes at a local restaraunt. since i didn't grow up with you, my statement sitll stands. my grandmother used to wash clothes for people who only let her in through the back door... but that's another subject for another time.



i don't think one would compare murder to illegal immigration. after all, one is a felony (murder), while the other is not. if one were to compare all crimes and lump them together, than one would say that driving above the posted speed limit is akin to rape is akin to murder is akin to stealing a loaf of bread.

but since it seems quite ridiculous to make these comparisons, i will state that no, by opposing this bill, we should not allow murders loose even though they broke the law.

as is stands, illegal immigration is just that, illegal. there's no need to make it a felony. this is, of course, the beauty of what the powers that be/republican party is doing... it's already illegal, it's a crime that's already on the books. making it a felony doesn't make it anymore illegal. making it a felony is wholly unnecessary.

now, if they were talking about enforcement, that'd be an entirely different issue (though it would truthfully be interesting to see which lawmakers in washington d.c., and even in our state legislatures wouldn't be guilty of hiring/employing illegal immigrants). however, lawmakers aren't talking about enforcing laws that are already there because they know that it's laughable. it's understood that illegal immigrants, no matter how "illegal", are overwhelmingly doing jobs that we "legal" americans (a funny term, as the founding fathers of this country were illegal immigrants, but i idigress...) aren't willing to do in huge numbers.

then what would you do? let em run wild and naked?