Flight 93(the movie) poster

[ZigenBallZ]

ugh.. i cant stand alex jones..

he even got Charlie Sheen to go on his show and Charlie went on and on about he doesn't believe the official version either...

THink about it people.... if Charlie Sheen knows it's BS... why don't you?

[501accord]

Hey man. I am sorry about your uncle. But you and all the people who knew anyone that died that day should be the ones that are trying to find out what really happened and who was behind it. Also, I believe Soy was referring specifically to Flight 93, not the pentagon incident with Flight 77. We aren't saying that people didn't die, because they did, but the real reason is still somewhat unknown. My dad's cousin worked in the pentagon as well and they told her mysteriously to not come in on 9/11 before the events happened. That just seems weird to me.

thanks for that, and i have thought about trying to find out what really happend, but it is over my head, and i was just ticked because soy said that in a very ignorant way, and its pretty obvious that he didnt lose anyone in the attacks

[d2privat11]

yo seriously. i dont believe these people. it didnt even happen...

http://pentagonstrike.co.uk/pentagon.swf

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...62628848&q=911

Flight 77 Debris
CLAIM: Conspiracy theorists insist there was no plane wreckage at the Pentagon. "In reality, a Boeing 757 was never found," claims pentagonstrike.co.uk, which asks the question, "What hit the Pentagon on 9/11?"

FACT: Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"

Directly from popular mechanics, check out the site for more debunking of 9/11 myths.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...tml?page=6&c=y

I'm not sure what happened on that day, but making assumptions with my basis on factual information but on pictures and testimonials from people who weren't even there doesn't constitue as being true.

"It sounded like a missile!"
Well have they actually ever seen a missile go right by their window or just based it on the movies they've seen?

[rickyduckworth]

Directly from popular mechanics, check out the site for more debunking of 9/11 myths.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...tml?page=6&c=y

I'm not sure what happened on that day, but making assumptions with my basis on factual information but on pictures and testimonials from people who weren't even there doesn't constitue as being true.

"It sounded like a missile!"
Well have they actually ever seen a missile go right by their window or just based it on the movies they've seen?

the same reasons you give for not believing the "conspiracy theory" are the same ones i can use to discredit popular mechanics.......

i think it takes a naive person to believe everything they're told

the main things that bother me about it all are the lack of planes at the pentagon and in the field, the fact that they're 2 100% unique crashes in the way they happened (coincidence that the planes disappeared?) and that the dead bodies weren't there in that field where the crash supposedly happened.......

why all the wall street activity directly related to the 9/11 incidents? again, coincidence?

why were 400 people told not to come into work at the WTC?

why is it easier to believe that a few incapable terrorists did this than to believe our gov't did?

who is more capable of all this?

the US gov't or a small group of extremists

[phatdoughnut]

Our government isnt perfect, they do lie look at history.

[DhN]

i coudl careless if it happened or not...it was a tragedy and all..i feel for the familys..but events like this happen everyday in other countries...my friends in israel go through this everyday..we have this color alert and when it changes a color we fear planes hitting buildings....people in israel fear a young child walking up to them strapped in a bomb and killing them...i wish people would stop hypin this event up like its the woirst tragedy ever..we cry when other countries dont have memorials for us..or dont aid us in some way...but we do the same thing to others at times

[deevergote]

Just like Popular Mechanics and the various crackpot theorists... we're given nothing but second-hand information AT BEST about these things. We will NEVER know what truly happened. Hell, I doubt there is a single living soul that knows the whole truth. People know parts, and some people may know most of it, but there are so many secrets that I don't think even the people involved (foreign terrorists and/or US government) know everything! Hell, even Osama may have nothing to do with it... it wouldn't be the first time extremists took credit for something they didn't really do... It's good business in the terror game!

All we can do is speculate. Everything that seems like a sign could be just that, or it could be a coincidence. The Wall Street activity could be directly related, or it could be something brought on by a rumor... an unknown leak involving the "plan". Or it could just have been a good week for Wall Street.

Speculation is not fact. You can argue what you think based on whatever information you may have, which is most certainly incomplete, and very likely to be inaccurate... Nothing will come of it. Nobody will ever say "hey, you're right!" if they have a mind of their own! The only true FACT that can't ever be disputed is that people died. That's all we'll ever know 100%.


My theory? George Bush Senior called his good friend Saddam Hussein... Asked him if he knew any crazies that wanted to learn how to fly a plane. Saddam called his buddy Osama, who had plenty of wannabe pilots going to waste... so he sent them over to the US. Meanwhile, George's son takes over as president... making it easy for government oversights (you see, little Georgie isn't really all that bright... but damn is he personable!) So, the government screws up and "misses" these terrorist movements, and allows George/Saddam/Osama to pull off their plan fairly well. Now that the country is in a state of shock, Georgie gets to redeem himself by going to war... So he chases down Osama... but not really. Then he chases down Saddam, because word got out that he was in on it... but he doesn't kill him. No. He's an old family friend. So we take Saddam from his country so we can control all the oil (that's what the Bush family knows, afterall... oil...) We can make Saddam comfortable for the rest of his life as a "prisoner"... and Osama can remain hidden and presumed dead. All while profiting from the major hike in oil prices here in the US.

(yes, I intended that to be rediculous... sadly, I've heard people speak who truly believe about 90% of that... and even worse still, there's no rock solid proof that it ISN'T true!)

[g-wagon]

i've been watching that video... just seems like a college kid with too many questions... without a doubt it happened... nothing we can do about it...

[SoySauceCb7]

o the events happend, its the terms and reason to why it happened? the economic and political agendas some of these guys have in government are very good reasons for things that have happened. not to mention money... A LOT of money

[rickyduckworth]

1) history always repeats itself, and all the most powerful governments are full of corruption......we're just as fake now as ever.....we're just as susceptible to power and greed since that still makes the world go around.....

2) planes don't vaporize, building don't collapse that easily, and this was all too tidy.......there were never 2 wrecks like this in history, never even one incident where the pane vaporized, and science and public records supports this.......this isn't somethign that relies on secondhand info.....it's just a matter of if you care or not, and since most don't, blah

3) the people are supposed to have the power.........do you really feel like the people are in power? remember the last election? look at all the new laws that are slowly getting rid of our freedoms.......alcohol and cigarettes are ok but weed is too bad?

it's always been and always will be about power and money, forget that, and future civilizations will ridicule your stupidity

we look at polytheism and scoff....we look at the stupidty of the "groundlings" and wonder why they didn't try to better their way of life.....

even the roman government feared the common people to an extent.......most of what went on in the colliseum was to appease them.....keep them happy......make them feel connected to those in power.....

where do you think the "shaking hands, hugging babies" thing came from?

it connects those with money and power to us with what we think is money and power...........it's a game......

they're not scared of us anymore, they only fear themselves......

you know there have been almost 50 government pay raises since the last time they raised minimum wage, but they still voted down the recent proposal to up it less than $1?

who do they care about.............not me

[g-wagon]

^ legalize it... seriously... theres nothing we can do.. so fuck the government and fuck the police... hopefully i don't have to stay on earth long...

[rickyduckworth]

^ legalize it... seriously... theres nothing we can do.. so fuck the government and fuck the police... hopefully i don't have to stay on earth long...

you can't think of it like that, and realistically, not much you can do except THINK........not all of us are cut out to be politicians, but there is one thing we can agree on


















clowns are creepy

[d2privat11]

you can't think of it like that, and realistically, not much you can do except THINK........not all of us are cut out to be politicians, but there is one thing we can agree on


















clowns are creepy

TRUTH!

[Lantis]

all jet engines have a high pitched whine.. a 757 is not gonna sound like a mack truck.. it's gonna sound like a jet engine powered plane.. most people have never heard jet engines in the raw.. they hear them on t.v. and radio and they always doctor the sounds in t.v. and radio to make it more dramatic..

also, just because it's a 757 does not mean it is gonna blow up everything, it's not a bomb. it's a plane, it's gonna punch a hole and then burn.. the WTC had holes in the sides of the building where the plane flew in and the windows blew out when the fuel exploded.. the pentagon is not made of glass, it's made of bricks and cement and it's outer walls are alot stronger than the WTC walls were. therefore if a plane hits it, it's not gonna blow out all the windows, it's gonna punch through the wall and burn, and if you look at the so called "intact" windows, they look burnt.. and the reason their is no wreckage, is that reckage flys forward, not backward, not down, not side to side, if you blow up a plane, the wreckage keeps it's momentum and goes forward into the building.. so of course there is no wreckage on the lawn.. and as for the "undamaged" cable spools, they are heavy duty and meant to take a beating. plus they look burnt, and they were not in the path of the plane, so of course they would not be damaged.

now you will say "there is no wings".. of course not, the wings shear off in an accident, they are just bolted on, they are not built in to the plane.. and for not having any wreckage, they are just peices of sheet metal.. what do you expect to find after the are mangled to bits and burned? a bunch of twisted mangled metal? no.. you find a bunch of small peices all over the place.. and since the plane was going forward, it's safe to assume they would be up against the building and not all over the lawn..

it's easy to see how that stuff would be convincing.. but only if you're a complete idiot as to the laws of physics and engineering. go look at how a plane and a building are built and then look at some high school physics. it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this shit out.

also, my mom was there and saw it. and I have a relative who works for the d.c. search and rescue, and he was there also. thank you for being a bunch of gullible idiots who beleive everything you see without actually thinking about what happened.

[Lantis]

the same reasons you give for not believing the "conspiracy theory" are the same ones i can use to discredit popular mechanics.......

i think it takes a naive person to believe everything they're told

the main things that bother me about it all are the lack of planes at the pentagon and in the field, the fact that they're 2 100% unique crashes in the way they happened (coincidence that the planes disappeared?) and that the dead bodies weren't there in that field where the crash supposedly happened.......

because the plane didn't crash into the field, it hit the building. read my post about laws of physics.

why all the wall street activity directly related to the 9/11 incidents? again, coincidence?

because after any large accident like that, stocks will change. after the exxon valdez accident, you don't think oil prices went up?

why were 400 people told not to come into work at the WTC?

because people are told not to come into work all the time. they might have had a computer system crash, gotten new office furniture, any number of things. 400 people not going to work doesn't mean anything.

why is it easier to believe that a few incapable terrorists did this than to believe our gov't did?

because the government doesn't need to kill it's own people to start a war. and believing that they do makes you an idiot.

who is more capable of all this?

anyone can get on a plane and force their way into the cock pit. plus it helps if you have flight training, which they did, and have weapons, which they did.

the US gov't or a small group of extremists

that is the most baised statement ever made. a small group? they took over 4 planes, and they were al qaeda members, al qaeda is not a small group of extremists. they are a very large group of extremists. they have tens of thousands of members all over the world. but nice try to word your statement to make it seem like the terrorists are harmless. just wait till they blow up your house, and see how harmless they are.