Late shopping

[HenRoc]

Koni Yellows with Neuspeed Sport springs. Ive had the setup for 5 years now. No complains. I just adjusted the dampening to my liking and left it alone.

Tip: If you do end up lowering your car be sure to replace the rubber bushings with a complete prothane kit.

[Crankshaft]

Tip: If you do end up lowering your car be sure to replace the rubber bushings with a complete prothane kit.

My car has Energy suspension kit installed since about 2010.

[Crankshaft]

[QUOTE=AccordWarrior;3264370]I should probably post this in the suspension forum, but it will get lost. AGX is rated at 1.5", but they're also known as drop killers. I would love to compare a set of AGX to a set of Koni Yellows to figure out where the perches for the springs are actually mounted. I'm wondering if the perches are higher, hence the drop killer.

The Tein S are rated at 2.1f and 1.75r so if it was to take .5 away from the springs i would probably still be okay. I am really considering just selling them once they get here and get something else down the road.

[AccordWarrior]

[QUOTE=Crankshaft;3264374]

I should probably post this in the suspension forum, but it will get lost. AGX is rated at 1.5", but they're also known as drop killers. I would love to compare a set of AGX to a set of Koni Yellows to figure out where the perches for the springs are actually mounted. I'm wondering if the perches are higher, hence the drop killer.

The Tein S are rated at 2.1f and 1.75r so if it was to take .5 away from the springs i would probably still be okay. I am really considering just selling them once they get here and get something else down the road.

I had the AGX with 1.8 F / 1.5 R and didn't have issues, but Deev blew his with the H&R Sports which were the same.

Now, I had sold my front suspension to a member here after I got rid of my car and he claimed the AGX were blown when he got them. I don't know if they were damaged in shipping or whatnot. Regardless, I probably wouldn't go with them again.

[DCB7]

I've been riding on Tein S-Techs on [kyb exel-g] struts for the past couple years. I like the ride, not too stiff, and I don't bottom out. Not low enough for some, but I like not scraping. Can't promise you will have the same luck either though

edit: Tein S-tech vs stock

[deevergote]

The incompatibility statement came directly from KYB.

[AccordWarrior]

The incompatibility statement came directly from KYB.

Yep, as part of their warranty claim.

[deevergote]

I'm so quick to dismiss anecdotal evidence because I trust KYB over "it worked for me!"
My own experience involved only one blown shock (after hitting a medium-sized pothole at about 30mph). The other three, plus the replacement for the blown one, have been in use with the very same H&R Sport springs on 93twodoorLX's car for well over a decade now. Daily driven, though I don't think he drives very much. He's had no issues or complaints.
Still, if the manufacturer says something isn't compatible, I trust them over anyone's personal experience, my own included.
KYB shocks might hold a drop. They might even respond well enough for the car to brake and handle well at the limit (which is when you really need them to do what they do.) Just as a stock F22A might hold boost for a few years, or stock F22A valvesprings might withstand 7500 RPM with a Delta 272 camshaft with no issue. Just because it might work, and just because it has worked, doesn't mean it's going to be a repeatable experience.

The whole point of a community such as this is to learn and grow in our knowledge. 10 years ago, we as a group did not understand that K&B GR2, KYB AGX, Tokico HP, and a few other popular shocks were not good for most of our preferred lowering spring options. 10 years ago, we as a group did not understand that just because a company CAN sell full coilovers doesn't mean they have the expertise to make a safe, reliable, quality product.
Now, we know these things. Now, we need to focus on doing things the right way, and spreading correct information.
This focus will have a three-fold benefit. First, it will ensure new members understand their options, and modify their cars safely. Second, it will ensure those new members spread this useful information, and perhaps continue to build upon it. Third, it will continue to support the manufacturers of high quality components, telling them that there is still a demand, despite our non-performance chassis being well over a quarter-century old. If there's adequate demand, companies will continue to produce quality parts. They may even invest in designing new ones for us (not likely, but possible). If we ignore them in favor of cheap, imitation, or improper parts, we'll soon find that our quality aftermarket has dried up completely... leaving us with the ebay knockoff artists to fall back on, until they, too, abandon us.

[AccordWarrior]

I'm so quick to dismiss anecdotal evidence because I trust KYB over "it worked for me!"
My own experience involved only one blown shock (after hitting a medium-sized pothole at about 30mph). The other three, plus the replacement for the blown one, have been in use with the very same H&R Sport springs on 93twodoorLX's car for well over a decade now. Daily driven, though I don't think he drives very much. He's had no issues or complaints.
Still, if the manufacturer says something isn't compatible, I trust them over anyone's personal experience, my own included.
KYB shocks might hold a drop. They might even respond well enough for the car to brake and handle well at the limit (which is when you really need them to do what they do.) Just as a stock F22A might hold boost for a few years, or stock F22A valvesprings might withstand 7500 RPM with a Delta 272 camshaft with no issue. Just because it might work, and just because it has worked, doesn't mean it's going to be a repeatable experience.

The whole point of a community such as this is to learn and grow in our knowledge. 10 years ago, we as a group did not understand that K&B GR2, KYB AGX, Tokico HP, and a few other popular shocks were not good for most of our preferred lowering spring options. 10 years ago, we as a group did not understand that just because a company CAN sell full coilovers doesn't mean they have the expertise to make a safe, reliable, quality product.
Now, we know these things. Now, we need to focus on doing things the right way, and spreading correct information.
This focus will have a three-fold benefit. First, it will ensure new members understand their options, and modify their cars safely. Second, it will ensure those new members spread this useful information, and perhaps continue to build upon it. Third, it will continue to support the manufacturers of high quality components, telling them that there is still a demand, despite our non-performance chassis being well over a quarter-century old. If there's adequate demand, companies will continue to produce quality parts. They may even invest in designing new ones for us (not likely, but possible). If we ignore them in favor of cheap, imitation, or improper parts, we'll soon find that our quality aftermarket has dried up completely... leaving us with the ebay knockoff artists to fall back on, until they, too, abandon us.

Agreed 100%.

I used to just assume because they were a popular setup, they were golden, but people did have their issues (yourself included).

That being said, I still want to see where they mount their perches, because I'm convinced they sit higher than OEM.

[deevergote]

It's very possible.
I wonder if softer OEM springs would just be more compressed on AGX, not resulting in a lower car, but resulting in a bit of a stiffer ride. Essentially, pre-loading the springs. I don't know anyone that just put AGX on stock springs.

[Crankshaft]

Tein springs

Ok so the springs came in today, they seem to be legit. Connoisseurs please post

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[deevergote]

Looks like they're legit, based on this:
http://www.tein.com/counterfeit/

Granted, with a detailed list of how to spot fakes, the fakers could address each of those points easily enough. The part number on the coil is a bit suspect... but I don't have a whole lot to compare it to.

[Crankshaft]

Looks like they're legit, based on this:
http://www.tein.com/counterfeit/

Granted, with a detailed list of how to spot fakes, the fakers could address each of those points easily enough. The part number on the coil is a bit suspect... but I don't have a whole lot to compare it to.

I emailed Tein, gave them the numbers and Vendor; that way if product is counterfeit they can take action.