Let's talk about drifting!

[lbus9168]

This is almost definitely going to cause arguments so for that, I apologize.

But: Drifting! Let's talk technique and stereotypes.

1. I don't think your drive wheels defines whether you can drift. Using engine power to drift is a power slide. NOT A DRIFT.

2. Using the handbrake to slowly initiate a drift is the slowest, mkst boring, and least skillfull technique you can use

3. Huge smoke doesn't make a drift good. It just means you can spend more money. It's the same as drag racing, money is more important than driver skill (I'm not saying high powered cars are easy to drive, I'm just saying that the focus isn't on that.)

4. Good technique is only learnt from years of practice. By this I mean knowing how to handle the car in every situation when sliding, as well as normal driving. For me, I think it took a good two years of on and off practice to get to an okay level, I'm certainly no expert on driving.

Your sick 240 with its welded diff that you take out in the rain doesn't make you Drifting king.

Also this article is interesting.

http://www.superstreetonline.com/fea...ama-interview/


Alright. Keep it civil.

[Domesticated]

So I've actually been to a drifting school taught by Michelin at the Michelin Proving grounds in GA.

1: It's not necessarily about the drive wheel, it's about the ability to induce oversteer. I've drifted a FWD car on a half mile (perfectly) circle track(also known as the neverending corner) that was wetted down with grippier tires on the front. I was able to maintain a steady oversteer condition for a few laps without regaining grip in the rear tires. I've also drifted another FWD car with Easy Drift tire sleeves on the rear tires. That was nuts. Max lat was like 0.32G and max sidelip was like 15*.

2: You're incorrect about the handbrake... Certain situations require different initiations.

3: Not sure what point you're trying to make.

4: Good technique could be taught in one weekend. I could teach you in 3-4 two hour sessions how to control a car sideways at 100mph. The experience is useful for reaction times, reaction know how, and estimating entry speed and control through a corner to maximize speed the first time. For example, if I put you on a circle you can hit max lat easily as you work up, but if I asked you to go through a corner of the same radius as fast as possibly your first time without ever doing it, only experience will help you to maximize your entry, control through the corner, and exit.

I get my practice outside of work drifting my Wrangler with Mud Terrains and rear LSD around the streets every time it rains. It's fun and exciting because of the high probability of roll over

[lbus9168]

1. Yep, fwd drift is all about high grip front and low grip rear. Actually, my Integra is set up in a way that it oversteers too much so I usually run more equal tyres.

2. It's hard to explain, what I'm saying is that quite alot of "drifters" I'll notice just use handbrake to initiate every single slide and have no idea about weight transition or foot brake initiations or anything. It's always just about pulling on the hydro and then using power which I reckon is shit.

3. Talking about formula D and the way D1GP is going. It's all expensive high hp cars sideways drag racing. Not my thing.

4. Maybe I should edit to "great" technique rather than good.

A wrangler would be excellent for teaching weight transfer if nothing else, haha.

[Domesticated]

I'm still not sure what the point of this is. You want a discussion about technique, I assumed technical aspects, yet you just seem to be making judgement about "other drifters".

[oni_cb7]

FF DRIFT

https://youtu.be/c1eHCmJDF_c

Movie clip from an Option video with Keisuke Hatakeyama back in the days when he drifted this battled out EF 9. He does a little exhibition, shows how he set the car up, and let's Keichi Tsuchiya take it for a spin.

https://youtu.be/cUNMWGuduB0

More FF drifting


Don't forget... Falken used to campaign a Honda Civic as a drift car...

[lbus9168]

I'm still not sure what the point of this is. You want a discussion about technique, I assumed technical aspects, yet you just seem to be making judgement about "other drifters".

Yeah, fair call.

I kind of wanted both. I'll edit my first post to be more clear.


As for technique , here's my personal favourite:

At my local track, I usually practice on a tight hairpin. In car, my way is I'll enter the corner at high speed, turn in hard, without losing front grip. As I turn in, Ill apply the foot brake to load the front up, and start to get the rear loose, then as I've gotten it to start, I'll pendulum the car by quickly snapping it out and then back in, which initiates a biiig ff slide.

As it snaps around I'll wind alot of countersteer in and power on to pull the car out, and as it starts to pull I'll Ind of the countersteer to get the wheels pointing straight as the car straightens up, it's a good way to maintain speed. Hard to nail it though.

FF DRIFT

https://youtu.be/c1eHCmJDF_c

Movie clip from an Option video with Keisuke Hatakeyama back in the days when he drifted this battled out EF 9. He does a little exhibition, shows how he set the car up, and let's Keichi Tsuchiya take it for a spin.

https://youtu.be/cUNMWGuduB0

More FF drifting


Don't forget... Falken used to campaign a Honda Civic as a drift car...

Thank you!!! I was looking for that video for ages.

I think anyone that's against it is not quite knowledgeable. Here's a friend of mine drifting an ex-super taikyu bb4 h22 prelude at ebisu last year. He has a car here too but no videos of it because our local drift track stopped doing drifting a year ago and now we can't do it, nearest track is 7 hours away :/

https://youtu.be/oSyC_vV127o

[oni_cb7]

Yeah, fair call.

I kind of wanted both. I'll edit my first post to be more clear.


As for technique , here's my personal favourite:

At my local track, I usually practice on a tight hairpin. In car, my way is I'll enter the corner at high speed, turn in hard, without losing front grip. As I turn in, Ill apply the foot brake to load the front up, and start to get the rear loose, then as I've gotten it to start, I'll pendulum the car by quickly snapping it out and then back in, which initiates a biiig ff slide.

As it snaps around I'll wind alot of countersteer in and power on to pull the car out, and as it starts to pull I'll Ind of the countersteer to get the wheels pointing straight as the car straightens up, it's a good way to maintain speed. Hard to nail it though.




Thank you!!! I was looking for that video for ages.

I think anyone that's against it is not quite knowledgeable. Here's a friend of mine drifting an ex-super taikyu bb4 h22 prelude at ebisu last year. He has a car here too but no videos of it because our local drift track stopped doing drifting a year ago and now we can't do it, nearest track is 7 hours away :/

https://youtu.be/oSyC_vV127o

Wow, your buddy has some balls to throw the car around like that. Especially considering he doesn't use an e-brake to initiate. Just throws it into the turn. Amazing.

The way you described it sounds exactly like how FWD cars are driven in rallies. When Rally driving in a FWD car they have to throw the cars really hard into the turns to get them to slide and then they power out of the turn.

[lbus9168]

He's who I learnt from! Yeah, it's street/track rally, basically

[Raf99]

But being able to drift/powerslide on a straight stretch I would consider part of the ritual. Harder to do with FWD almost like it needs it's own category (FWD drifting).

[oni_cb7]

But being able to drift/powerslide on a straight stretch I would consider part of the ritual. Harder to do with FWD almost like it needs it's own category (FWD drifting).

Have you ever seen Saudi drifting???

Saudi Drifting

Straight stretch of road being drifted side to side by mostly FWD cars...



Drifting is drifting. There are just different ways to accomplish the same thing.

[deevergote]

I remember Super Street Magazine's very first drift competition... it was won by a FWD CRX.

I think drifting evolved to be more about RWD, big smoke, and outrageous technique (tandem drifts, for example.) While that's one definition of it, and a perfectly valid one, I think there are certainly other ways to approach it.

[lbus9168]

I tandem with my friend I posted, I love tandem drifting!

Alot of American style moved from overall driver skill to high hp and high speed, which still rewuire effort but I think it's harder to drive a stock car fast sideways compared to purpose built machines.

There's a really awesome drift series in Australia called DCA, drift challenge Australia. You can run any car you like but tyres are limited. That means we get 70kw KE70's coming up against 500kw R31 wagons, it's fucking rad. my friend judges and a couple other friends are entered into it. They have secured the first ever legal street drifting competion in Australia In either August or september.

[deevergote]

I like the original Japanese style best. Lightweight, underpowered cars. Drift was never about power until it hit the mainstream in the US.

[lbus9168]

Yep, big sideways smoke has mass appeal, but drivers prefer the original technical stuff , methinks

[Raf99]

Have you ever seen Saudi drifting???

Saudi Drifting

Straight stretch of road being drifted side to side by mostly FWD cars...



Drifting is drifting. There are just different ways to accomplish the same thing.

Seen it many times. I was more thinking of drift car competitions where they start off the line and drift the back end out. More of a power slide though.

I got the thought from watching the FWD car drift in the video above. He was following a RWD car and after a drift turn the RWD car could keep power sliding but the FWD car needed speed.