2015 SRT challenger hellcat engine

[h22sparkle]

Most of the time honestly most folks race in a straight line. Other folks who pretend their enthusiasts so called say oh I can get a car to run laps around this or that car. Let's face it you'd never pull that on the street let along have the balls to do that anywhere even in an controlled environment parking lot time attacks don't do it.

I'd rather be at nuburing and not not on granturismo either I'm talking real life. Look at how many folks sacrifice their cars up there. Look how many folks wrapped theirncars over there underestimating that course. I'd do street or strip not just dream of cars. Oh and another thing why even mention a Bugatti or other cars that other cars that are followed with bandwaggoners not real enthusiasts that go after cars that are showing true efforts not by a bawler.

[sonikaccord]

What tracks have you raced on

The bandwagon cars that were mentioned are still imports...
And price was being discussed...

Does buying an HC count as being a baller? It is high hp already, one doesn't have to do work to make it fast. There is no true effort there by your definition.

Or does it count as being an enthusiast? Just because the person loves the car or has been a mopar guy since birth?

[lil_dcb7]

Did some one say Doge!?

[Shadow1]

Step what game up? The Hellcat isn't anything. I don't even want to be in the same class as that car. I'm happy with 400hp. 700 is way too much to have on the street. As I said, do we really need another high power car that teens with mommy and daddy's money can get?

The only Skyline you would be able to get is the R32. It's the only one legal here in the states. And you say the the Skylines that I talked about are for the weak because they're already modded? What do you think the Hellcat is? It's no some new car. It's a Challenger with a suped up motor. Pay attention man. Skylines aren't bandwagoners car. It's an enthusiast car. Just like the Hellcat. Buggatti and other cars in its class are for the super rich. That's is. Completely different class than your Hellcat. I only mentioned it because someone said it would be a chick magnet.

I'll never have my tail handed to me by one of the cars you mentioned for the simple fact, I know my place. I'm not gonna run up on some car I know I couldn't beat. That's just stupid. And I never said it was all about power. I think you just picked different things I said and decided to respond to those parts. Read my post in whole. Never once did I say or imply that power was the only thing that mattered. I've seen plenty of track vids of guys in VA over taking Porshes at the track with lower power cars. It's about handing and how the driver can handle it. The Hellcat wasn't built to be able to take curves. Can it be? Probably. Was it? No.

Once again. The import industry isn't in trouble. It still has the reliability. It still has the better gas mileage. It still has the good looks. Muscle cars....well. That's all they have is what they're known for. Being muscle cars. Supras will always be known and modded for their high power numbers they can make. Found that was 1100 hp. Daily driven. Another car that was BUILT and can beat the Hellcat. The Hellcat is just another high power car that can be bought. It's nothing special.

As far as doing the track thing. I have the balls to do it. Always wanted to do it. Just have a family to take care of, a house to buy and bills to pay. Priorities. They'll take priority over any car venture I take. It cost money to do track stuff. Especially build a track car. I'm not about dumping gobs of money into a track car.

On that note. 700hp TSX. YouTube it. Yet another car that can most likely beat your Hellcat. You're not a track star. What circuit track have you raced on to make you think you're higher than anyone here on this board? You might not be saying it but the WAY you're making your statements makes it seem that way.

My points:
-Hellcat is just another high HP car you can buy. Where's the fun in that?
-I'm sure it can't run very well on a course track(most high power domestics can't)
-All it is? A built Challenger. Just like the Mine's R34 and BNR34. Nothing special. That's it.

[Domesticated]

I've been on a track in a Hellcat. It's phenomenal. Look up lap times for a 392 Challenger, you will be surprised. The Hellcat is faster in a straight line, turns better and did better. Tracks I've been on, VIR, Mid Ohio, Nelson Ledges, MIS, Gingerman, and the road course at work. I've never met anyone who has limit handled an SRT and said it was slow or couldn't handle. Also the Challenger is a chick magnet. I drove a 392 for 3 months and got a lot of attention. Actually once I was on my way home from Gingerman and stopped at Wendy's. As I was getting back into my car this girl had been waiting outside to give me a compliment on the car. I offered her a ride around in the car and we ended up hanging out the rest of the afternoon. I don't get why people are hating on the car so much. Most of the arguments are just ignorant.

[h22sparkle]

What tracks have you raced on

The bandwagon cars that were mentioned are still imports...
And price was being discussed...

Does buying an HC count as being a baller? It is high hp already, one doesn't have to do work to make it fast. There is no true effort there by your definition.

Or does it count as being an enthusiast? Just because the person loves the car or has been a mopar guy since birth?

Bremin,aqueduct and englishtown and yourself? Its not about being a Mopar guy or getting a high HP car from the start its about following through BTW what have you accomplished since you joined here. I already went through like 5 cars all of them nodded and I have contributed more than just talk your still rocking the same car with the same mods on it save it bro.

[h22sparkle]

Step what game up? The Hellcat isn't anything. I don't even want to be in the same class as that car. I'm happy with 400hp. 700 is way too much to have on the street. As I said, do we really need another high power car that teens with mommy and daddy's money can get?

The only Skyline you would be able to get is the R32. It's the only one legal here in the states. And you say the the Skylines that I talked about are for the weak because they're already modded? What do you think the Hellcat is? It's no some new car. It's a Challenger with a suped up motor. Pay attention man. Skylines aren't bandwagoners car. It's an enthusiast car. Just like the Hellcat. Buggatti and other cars in its class are for the super rich. That's is. Completely different class than your Hellcat. I only mentioned it because someone said it would be a chick magnet.

I'll never have my tail handed to me by one of the cars you mentioned for the simple fact, I know my place. I'm not gonna run up on some car I know I couldn't beat. That's just stupid. And I never said it was all about power. I think you just picked different things I said and decided to respond to those parts. Read my post in whole. Never once did I say or imply that power was the only thing that mattered. I've seen plenty of track vids of guys in VA over taking Porshes at the track with lower power cars. It's about handing and how the driver can handle it. The Hellcat wasn't built to be able to take curves. Can it be? Probably. Was it? No.

Once again. The import industry isn't in trouble. It still has the reliability. It still has the better gas mileage. It still has the good looks. Muscle cars....well. That's all they have is what they're known for. Being muscle cars. Supras will always be known and modded for their high power numbers they can make. Found that was 1100 hp. Daily driven. Another car that was BUILT and can beat the Hellcat. The Hellcat is just another high power car that can be bought. It's nothing special.

As far as doing the track thing. I have the balls to do it. Always wanted to do it. Just have a family to take care of, a house to buy and bills to pay. Priorities. They'll take priority over any car venture I take. It cost money to do track stuff. Especially build a track car. I'm not about dumping gobs of money into a track car.

On that note. 700hp TSX. YouTube it. Yet another car that can most likely beat your Hellcat. You're not a track star. What circuit track have you raced on to make you think you're higher than anyone here on this board? You might not be saying it but the WAY you're making your statements makes it seem that way.

My points:
-Hellcat is just another high HP car you can buy. Where's the fun in that?
-I'm sure it can't run very well on a course track(most high power domestics can't)
-All it is? A built Challenger. Just like the Mine's R34 and BNR34. Nothing special. That's it.

Shadow1 the tax that has been nodded up to 700 tsx on YouTube are you rocking that car? Nope didn't think so and its on a fwd car it will need slicks to put down any decent times and its still fwd that's not a good look. The SRT hellcat only needs drag radials to do a 10.8 let's be realistic with the numbers here the skyline is a thing of the past.

Shadow1 your still slow on it I can get any car imported just about including all of the skylines. You just have to have the money and the right connections remember this is America its a business. You'll never be able to deal with an srthellcan or a srt4 your shook bro step ya game up man. I'm no track star I'd could care less all I'm saying is this most events street or track I've been there,track time I've been there wrench time I've been there what have you done? If you've been there on both sides of imports or domestics OK if not you still got much to learn.

Weather its a course on the track you don't need HP to run on a track. The same amount of HP can be ran by any car in a corner the only thing you need is moderate throttle control and precision driving along with a suspension upgrade and most of all skill and your good. It doesn't take much for a skyline or awe that's made to take corners along with a skilled driver or not to do that again wake up your still sleeping.

[h22sparkle]

I've been on a track in a Hellcat. It's phenomenal. Look up lap times for a 392 Challenger, you will be surprised. The Hellcat is faster in a straight line, turns better and did better. Tracks I've been on, VIR, Mid Ohio, Nelson Ledges, MIS, Gingerman, and the road course at work. I've never met anyone who has limit handled an SRT and said it was slow or couldn't handle. Also the Challenger is a chick magnet. I drove a 392 for 3 months and got a lot of attention. Actually once I was on my way home from Gingerman and stopped at Wendy's. As I was getting back into my car this girl had been waiting outside to give me a compliment on the car. I offered her a ride around in the car and we ended up hanging out the rest of the afternoon. I don't get why people are hating on the car so much. Most of the arguments are just ignorant.

Lol the last thing I'm thinking about when it comes to cars is chicks. Its actually more thrilling to get stopped by people or people who know and study cars that you'd least expect to know about cars. That's becoming more rare and rare these days to be honest.

[deevergote]

Play nice, kids!


All the "built, not bought" crap is for kids, I've learned.

Maybe in the early days of import tuning, it was cool to make a slow car fast. It took thought, knowledge, and hard work. You had to know what you were doing, and often you had to get creative with your parts. These days, you just buy stuff and bolt them on.
Now, the manufacturers have caught on, and they make the cars fast for you. In my opinion, the manufacturers USUALLY make a performance car with the greatest mix of driveability and performance. Further modifications often just increase performance at the cost of driveability.
Most performance cars on the market today exceed the capabilities of the average driver... especially on public roads.

Whether you buy your performance car or build it, you are still an enthusiast if you truly appreciate it. I know people that have spent more time learning how to drive a bone stock car to the limits of it's capabilities than they have modifying it... and those people (in my mind) are the greatest of enthusiasts.


In a way, it's sad. In the 90s, V8s were making 250hp. The top tier of performance cars (excluding exotics) were running 1/4 mile times in the low 13s.
We had somewhere to go. We had something to do. We had a reason to make these cars fast. You could buy a fast car, and make it faster... and actually make use of that extra power.
Now, if you want a fast car, you buy one. You could buy a cheaper Charger or Challenger and soup it up to make 700hp. The overall price will probably come close to the Hellcat, especially with supporting transmission, suspension, wheel, tire, and brake upgrades. Even then, you'll probably have a car that isn't as nice to drive, and probably not as reliable.

[h22sparkle]

Play nice, kids!


All the "built, not bought" crap is for kids, I've learned.

Maybe in the early days of import tuning, it was cool to make a slow car fast. It took thought, knowledge, and hard work. You had to know what you were doing, and often you had to get creative with your parts. These days, you just buy stuff and bolt them on.
Now, the manufacturers have caught on, and they make the cars fast for you. In my opinion, the manufacturers USUALLY make a performance car with the greatest mix of driveability and performance. Further modifications often just increase performance at the cost of driveability.
Most performance cars on the market today exceed the capabilities of the average driver... especially on public roads.

Whether you buy your performance car or build it, you are still an enthusiast if you truly appreciate it. I know people that have spent more time learning how to drive a bone stock car to the limits of it's capabilities than they have modifying it... and those people (in my mind) are the greatest of enthusiasts.


In a way, it's sad. In the 90s, V8s were making 250hp. The top tier of performance cars (excluding exotics) were running 1/4 mile times in the low 13s.
We had somewhere to go. We had something to do. We had a reason to make these cars fast. You could buy a fast car, and make it faster... and actually make use of that extra power.
Now, if you want a fast car, you buy one. You could buy a cheaper Charger or Challenger and soup it up to make 700hp. The overall price will probably come close to the Hellcat, especially with supporting transmission, suspension, wheel, tire, and brake upgrades. Even then, you'll probably have a car that isn't as nice to drive, and probably not as reliable.

Your right deev absolutely and its messed up that a lot of the import industry is literally gone and a rare dying breed. You'll rarely see fast cars both import and domestic most of everything now is industry. I'm into I'm into fast we are all into fast cars the hell the whole oh let me get this and that car again that's benchracing I'm looking at facts.

Not only that even if this car comes like that out the factory look at how reliable it is. That's why I respect domestics too the fullest they are starting their decent too once again and they are doin things right.

The import scene now honestly is dead all over their influence was strong but you have to will rarely see anymore unless you go to street races or on a forum like this. Most of everyone who was into the scene are gone they done moved on.

[deevergote]

When the import scene first came to be a thing, kids were modding Civics, Integras, Sentras... cheap European cars, like Jettas, and Golfs... and small American cars like Neons, Cavaliers, and Escorts.
For most young enthusiasts, the only options were those slow FWD 4 cylinder cars, or older Mustangs and Camarobirds. A few kids picked up older Supras, 300zx, or RX7s... but those cars usually proved to be pricey to keep going, let alone be fast.
Expensive performance cars were out of the price range for most kids. Unless you were some rich kid, you weren't rolling around in a fast turbo Supra, 300zx, RX7, M3, etc...

Kids got to play with slow cars. Cars that they could afford to mess with. Cars that they could afford to blow up.
These days, the average kid can afford to buy a moderately fast car. The average kid can afford to buy a Neon SRT4. The average kid can afford to buy a 350z. The average kid can afford to buy a GTI. Those cars aren't "fast" (certainly not when we're talking about the Hellcat!) but those cars put kids considerably further along than where most of us started.

When the import scene erupted, you could spend $6000 on a used Civic, and do a TON of research to figure out how to make it fast. You'd pay that much again for a JDM engine swap that would give you another 30hp. You'd piece together a turbo system, and hope your AFC hack and adjustable fuel pressure regulator would be enough to keep it from blowing up. IF that turbo gave you 200whp, you were the king of the streets.
Now, you buy a $1500 Civic. You spend $2000 on ebay, and you have a car that's lowered on coilovers, running a brand new turbo, and making well over 200whp. It blows up, you scrap it, and mommy buys you a new Mustang.

[H311RA151N]

I respect domestic vehicles myself but generally not the people behind them. I refuse to join the dark side. I don't care if imports are falling out of the game. We always had it harder anyways, why should that ever change? Being the underdog is much more rewarding to me anyways.

In Tokyo Drift I'd rather be Sean than Clay. Sean worked for his shit, Clay was in his daddy's Viper.

On another note if I cared about being the fastest the CB chassis would be one of the last vehicles I'd pick!

[deevergote]

I wouldn't say that imports are falling out of the game. I'd say that they've BECOME the game. I mean, American cars are now aiming at the Japanese and Germans. They're making their small cars more like the Japanese, and they're making their luxury cars more like the Germans. American sports cars are essentially all we have left. Monstrous engines, big cars... though the newer ones are able to handle, unlike older ones. American cars aren't just built for straight line performance anymore!

These days, though, you can buy a car from pretty much any manufacturer that will offer enough performance that you'll never be able to push it to its full potential without seriously breaking the law. On a track, the car will likely exceed the limits of the driver.

In the sub-$70,000 range, American manufacturers still make the best mix of small sport, large sport, and sport luxury cars. (I put the $70,000 limit on there to exclude the high-end cars that rise above the stereotypical... GT-R, NSX, R8, and anything non-Fiat Italian!) I'm leaving the non-German Euros out of it, because they're not quite as significant in the blanket-statement category.
Japanese manufacturers thrive in the small sport category, with souped up econoboxes like the STi and Evo (RIP), and small dedicated sports cars like the BRZ/FR-S/FT86 and the Miata. They make fantastic large cars, but the sportiness is lacking compared to the Americans and Germans.
The Germans are masters of sporty luxury. The BMW M cars, Mercedes-Benz AMG cars, and Audi S cars are all gorgeous luxury rockets. Pricey, potent, and worthy of cruising around town with a hot date. Inexpensive sporty cars are not their forte, however.
From the Americans, you can buy a V or Vsport Cadillac that will offer a reasonable approximation of what you would get from the Germans. You can (soon) buy a Dart SRT-4 that should offer performance comparable to the STi. And you can buy a Mustang, Charger, Challenger, Camaro... with a massive amount of power... for a very affordable price.

American cars may still be lacking in quality a bit... but the options, performance, and price can't be beat.
At this point, the Domestic vs. Import argument is outdated, I feel. Imports have a strong foothold in North America. They're no longer the underdogs. They just have different strengths. Import vs Domestic arguments are starting to sound more and more like Yankee vs Rebel arguments!

[H311RA151N]

@ Yankees vs Rebels.

I just miss the old days. None of the cars you listed are appealing at all to me. They seem to lack character, there seems to be no struggle, they do it all. It just seems boring. I could not own a new car with massive power and feel as proud of it as I can an old import. I would feel like the only thing I done was sign the title. And driving a new vehicle I don't feel the connection like I do with any older car whether domestic or import. I love the feel of an old Fox body or even an old 12 valve 1st gen Cummins. You don't get that with a new car or truck.

The way you explained the new automotive world clicked when I read it as I have not been able to put it into my own words. The new cars simply are everything. Cheap, reliable, fast, they handle, they are safe... A set of headers add 30hp. It's what people want. And I agree it is cool. But the fight is what I have always enjoyed. No fight no fun IMO. And by now all the good imports seem to be gone or stupid expensive. The old era seemed to have ate most of them up.


EDIT.... I guess this makes me old school... I'm in my mind twenties and I'm already old school in the automotive world, my how automobiles have progressed in the last 20 years...

[Domesticated]

Deeve you're on point. Built vs bought and import vs domestic are just ignorant arguments. As far as arguing I think I'm done in this thread. I'll still pop in and talk about it, especially when they get in the hands of customers.