2015 SRT challenger hellcat engine

[h22sparkle]

Hold on though sonixaccord 60k ain't that much try checking the number figures on the gtr 115k start talking those numbers and I bet the maintenance on a gtr is even higher. I'd take my chances on that hellcat

[h22sparkle]

Did the information on the 2015 Acura Nsx costs 130k supposedly hybrid and awd puts out less hp Than the Skyline and Challenger SRT hellcat and caught on fire at the track wtf bro?http://www.motortrend.com/future/fut...015_acura_nsx/

Is this the kind of car you want. Be careful of too much of that technology you will be sadly mistaken.http://www.automobilemag.com/feature...ws:AMAG|Rumors

[sonikaccord]

You're right. It's not much if you were in the market for a new high hp car. It smashes everything in that scenario.

Roush stage 3 mustang is 65k
ZL1 Camaro is 62k

But if you're getting it to just say it's fast, then you've wasted your money as you can easily build an LSx or a 5.0 to destroy the Hellcat for a lot less. Again, that's only if you wanted to be fast.

The gtr and the new nsx are in the same class and yes if either of them has a malfunction, it's going to hurt. You're comparing a jap supercar to an american muscle car in terms of raw output...not fair. All three will have different characteristics.

And as far as technology...most of the hellcats tech isn't in the engine at all. It looks like it's in the transmission and chassis. I'd still take an electric motor over an internal combustion engine anyway...

[deevergote]

Electric, sadly, is the direction we're going. Electric motors are going to be absolutely nutty. Right now, electric cars are still in their infancy... yet we already have the Tesla Model S Performance that will run the quarter mile in the mid-12s. It's a 2+ ton luxury car with a reasonably respectable driving range... that is pulling off legitimate sportscar acceleration!

The Hellcat engine is an example of high-tech oldschool... it's still a pushrod engine, albeit with forged internals and massaged heads. The supercharger is a twin-screw type, which is far more efficient than the standard roots style.
It, along with the LS9 show that the potential for factory produced pushrod engines is still there.

Some people are brand-loyal. Mopar all the way! Those people will gladly pay the price for a performance Dodge. It's nice that Dodge is finally stepping it up and producing a car that will genuinely compete with the Camaro and Mustang.
American Muscle will always bee what it is... relatively inexpensive cars with massive engines making obscene horsepower. The cars won't be as refined or tech-laden as the Germans or Japanese. They won't be as prestigious as the Italians.
Still, if speed is what you want, you'll run the quarter mile in .1 second faster than a 2014 Ferrari F12 Berlinetta (similar weight and power, though from a larger N/A V12) for 1/6 the cost.
To many, that IS appealing!

Granted, you can get a $3000 1992 Mustang, drop a $10,000 500hp crate engine into it, do $3000 worth of paint and bodywork, $2000 for interior work, $5000 for transmission work, and $3000 for suspension and tires... and you've got a car that will look and perform as well (or better) for half the price of the Hellcat. Granted, it'll be an old car.

[red07frontier]

It's not a pushrod engine. Dodge V8's haven't been for a long time now. Only GM still does a pushrod V8.

[H311RA151N]

It is in fact a pushrod engine.

"This is a 370 cubic inch, 90-degree V-type engine. There are 16 pushrod-operated overhead valves, with hollow-stem intake valves and sodium-filled exhaust valves; the conventional hydraulic lifters have roller tips. The exhaust starts out with dual three-way catalytic converters, which dump into dual 2.75-inch pipes and a straight-through exhaust system, with twin electronic exhaust valves and rectangular black chromed tips."

[deevergote]

The modern Hemi still uses pushrods.
Ford is the only one of the "Big 3" to use OHC V8s in their sports cars.

[H311RA151N]

I absolutely love the sound of a cammed Modular 4V Mustang... The sound of a cammed Mustang in general sounds awesome...

[deevergote]

They really do sound awesome.

I always wondered (but never actually asked...)
Why is it that OHC engines always seem to be smaller in displacement than OHV engines?

[H311RA151N]

I want to say its because it makes the valvetrain stiffer and therefore generally capable of higher RPMs. Smaller engines like to rev higher to make their power. At least that's my best guess.

One thing I do know is having the cams in the top of the head provides an opportunity for better ports designs.

Can you imagine an engine with 4 valves per cylinder and pushrods? The only engines I know of that operate with pushrods and 4 valves per cylinder are diesels. Cummins, Powerstroke & Duramax.

[h22sparkle]

Guys again your talking about cars that are modes from the factory. I'm talking about vehicles that came out the dealership stock wise that will last without all that longevity issues. A roush stage 3 is nodded and probably won't last due to traction issues which the hellcat issues.

[h22sparkle]

Sure a car you can build stage 3 roush but don't let that hellcat get nodded up. Remember the hellcat was detuned I can imagine what aftermarket parts would do smdh.

[deevergote]

We got off on a tangent, Mike. We're not arguing with you.

[h22sparkle]

We got off on a tangent, Mike. We're not arguing with you.

I know that Mike this just seems like a really good debate here. You figure okay 50 k to have a gt500 and then another 35k to make it a super snake that's still 85k plus and there's no paddle shifting. For 56 k I'd rather take that hellcat.

[deevergote]

I'd rather have a true manual, even if it's slower than the paddles!

I know most of the fancy sports cars now are faster with their automated manuals. Even back to the E46 M3 (the SMG versions are faster than the 6 speed manual.)
Still, with too much automation, it gets to the point where you just feel like you're along for the ride!