Controversial discussion....Chemtrails

[illinois_erik]

watch out they be spreading the chemtrails on illinois

duh... Id just like to add that the whole reason this is supposedly being done is twofold weather manipulation and systematically exposing people to toxic materials that after a while cause some intended side effects. such materials being deployed are finely ground aluminum, barium, lithium etcetera etcetera, a nice blend of chemicals metals and other toxins. aluminum being one of the main ingredients its light,has one of the highest reflectivity rates and some other fine characteristics that enable people in power to think they can "fix" or control the weather. ever notice that anything man touches gets all fucked up lol.

[illinois_erik]

i believe those are called contrails.Their formation is most often triggered by the water vapor in the exhaust of aircraft engines, but can also be triggered by the changes in air pressure in wingtip vortices or in the air over the entire wing surface.[

mmhmm yes we all know what contrails are, they go away. this shit disperses into wispy clouds and eventually you dont see anything but the sky is pretty hazy


ever hear of HAARP? Tesla invented that whole deal, it was stolen and is becoming weaponized these days. The aluminum particulate that stays suspended in the atmosphere plays
a key role in attenuating these megawatts of HF energy.

[Ispintechno]

I've looked at both sides of the coin, even looked at many Alex Jones videos on the internet which is all the way to one side, definately extreme. In my experience the truth is somewhere in the middle, meaning yes, the government is doing something but to what extent?

1) Either you believe the government is doing absolutely nothing to us, and only has our best interest in heart (even over economic growth);

2) or you believe the government is a shadowy satanic organization that is just a series of yes-man strings pulled by globalist bankers and the illuminate, and they are creating an Apocalypse to decrease population by 80% or greater.

3) Somewhere in the middle, government does mildy poison us through drinking water (fluoride) as it makes economic sense to get rid of this industrial toxic waste and in low PPM real health risk by study is at acceptable levels. Also noted some areas get Lithium added to water supplies, possibly to reduce crime rate as it has the effect to make people more docile.
In the middle we know GMO's are real, and not healthy. Recently over 250 cities around the world marched in protest as Monsanto seeds pollinate organic fields, kill the honey bees through genetically produced pesticides by combining animal DNA with the DNA of the plant. It should be noted it is not very nutritional for humans either unlike it's natural counterpart and may cause cancer. But Monsanto will one day own the worlds food supply, even if it doesn't actually feed people.

The things going on that can harm us all have immense economic drivers behind it, where as spraying people from planes unless it's to get rid of industrial waste on the cheap like in our drinking water; I don't really see the money in chemtrails therefor I would push it off to the conspiracy theory not fact pile.

[owequitit]

Similar to Deev, I have a friend who posts a lot of shit on Facebook about Chemtrails. He thinks we are getting spray by shit everyday. Pretty crazy. He posts all kinds of weird pictures of planes with containers inside of them with ellaborate spraying systems.

Incase you don't know what I am talking about.

http://www.howstuffworks.com/transpo...chemtrails.htm

It seems far fetched but plossible at the same time. I am not saying every plane does it but he seems to think so. He will post pictures everyday if he see's any kind of trail in the sky. He isn't really that weird of a guy, not your normal nutcase per say. He seems pretty normal to me.

thoughts?

I hate ignorance. People assume shit because they don't understand it, and rather than put forth 13 calories worth of effort to actually learn something, they just conspiracy theorize on the internet. You can't fix stupid. The sad part is that it is otherwise perfectly sane and capable people in many cases.

I've done some windshields for some people with some crazy ideas like that. One guy had a 07 dodge with a cummins in it and he swore adamantly that oil companies are scamming you out of money by telling you oil breaks down and needs changed. He had 37,000 miles on his truck on the same oil that came in it when it was new... He said he just changes the filter and tops it off. Other than that, perfectly normal dude.

I think that if "they" really wanted to spray stuff on "us", there are far more discrete and concentrated ways to do it. Imagine how few particles would actually end up landing near a town after being sprayed at the kinds of elevation that you see the trails? PPM would be really low I think. Sometimes I wonder what people who are believers in chem trails think the chemicals are doing? What the objective of the sprayers is for the sprayees. The few people I've talked have never elaborated on what they thought the chemicals were meant to do. I do believe that it's well documented that burning carbon fuels results in water vapor and co2 so I'm still unconvinced the trails are anything more than water vapor.

For me, chem trails, oil scams, 100mpg carburetors, and the illuminati are all things I choose to believe are not as real a threat to our daily existence as some would choose to believe. But to each his own! I require more evidence =p

Any financially independent testing lab can confirm oil breaks down. Of course you can also do your own testing and actually break the engine down after 100K with no oil changes and compare it to an engine that has been regularly maintained and see what you get.

The problem with these "smart" people is that same problem I have with most of the hippies. They don't really understand enough to draw a conclusion, they don't seek to understand enough to draw conclusions, and they practice what is effectively fake science.

It is easy for that guy with a Cummins to say that his truck is proof, but without a controlled comparison to an engine that has had the oil changed, there is no way for him to prove it. Considering that Cummins will often run for 300K+ with virtually no maintenance doesn't mean there isn't wear and tear. They are specifically designed to survive harsh conditions. However, just because it runs also doesn't mean it is running in top shape. But he will never know that because he hasn't done the basic background work to establish such data, and thus his point is irrelevant to reality.

I have no doubt that there are shadowy groups that influence some things behind the scenes... but they hardly rule the world. There's the old suspicion that the Freemasons rule the world from the shadows. That's basically BS, but I've known a few masons in my day, and ALL of them are pretty well connected in the community. Chances are, if you want something done, a Mason will know a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy that will do it as a favor to one of his own. That sort of solidarity has a good deal of power, especially in an old and fairly secretive organization!

Chemtrails are BS. There have been times in our history when our government has been shown to have experimented on citizens, but that was long ago... before information spread so quickly, and before technology was at a level where we knew what such risks entailed.
If airplanes were equipped with such things, that means that anyone with access to said planes would see the equipment. That's a HELL of a lot of people involved to hold a secret (especially on planes used for international flights!) Unless, of course, there are dedicated planes flying overhead doing nothing but sprinkling us with pixie dust on the government's behest.

And honestly, anyone who is shouting about a crazy shadow government should PROBABLY learn a thing or two about how our government is set up. Rather than wearing a tinfoil hat and posting propaganda on the internet, they could get involved in the government. People like to forget that they have a responsibility to know what their government is doing, as well as a responsibility to get involved and change it when they feel the government is doing a bad job. If our government is failing us, it is only an indication that we have failed ourselves!

The Masons are a fraternity. They are "well connected" because that is what they do. As a fraternity they make connections. Probably ironic then that they know people (especially when they focus primarily on the local community where they are then well connected). My grandfather was in the Mason (and Shriners) for years. He wasn't involved in anything shady. Again, people assume. People like to talk about all of the connected Freemasons as proof of the illuminati, but if you look at the number of "connected" people in any industry or group that were part of fraternities, it isn't an alarming number. Of course, they don't want you to think about that little fact...

for fun...






I honestly dont trust the government, they can't even do their jobs.

That is ballast used to determine weight and balance limits and loading/performance data for the certification of aircraft. The fill those barrels with water and use pumps to transfer it around to test the airplane under various loading conditions. Since it isn't certified to carry passengers yet, they can't just load it up with people as it isn't safe. Plus, that is more controllable.

Believe it or not, that 1,000,000lb 747 is effectively balancing on a pin head while in flight, so in order to prove that it is capable of flying with the pinhead located in various locations, they do this with the water. You will also occasionally see similar installations in aircraft that have to be flown long distances (like over the ocean), but don't have the range to make it without refueling. A good example that comes to mind is Hawaiian airline's 717's. The range of that airplane wouldn't allow it to reach Hawaii unrefueled, and clearly they can't just pull in for gas, so they had to add a bunch of fuel tanks in the cabin in order to get it to the islands. The alternative would have been shipping it in pieces and rebuilding it, but clearly that isn't cost effective.

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You are showing pictures of contrails. How does this prove a single thing about what they are made of?

What are we looking at in the second video? All I see are clouds and light refraction through ice crystals (which can work like prisms, as can water droplets that aren't frozen).

I think perhaps we need to have a meteorology lesson?

i believe those are called contrails.Their formation is most often triggered by the water vapor in the exhaust of aircraft engines, but can also be triggered by the changes in air pressure in wingtip vortices or in the air over the entire wing surface.[

Contrails are easy to explain. Ryan, you are correct. The rest of this post is aimed at Erik.

Anytime you burn petroleum (or most anything else for that matter) you have what is called an oxidation reaction, which simply means that you are combining oxygen with other molecules chemically.

In theory, if we burned gas perfectly cleanly, we would get CO2 and H2O. However, since we have other contaminants in the fuel, we end up with some other products too, namely NOX emmissions and CO in addition to CO2 and H2O. We also end up with unburned hydrocarbons since no oxidation reaction is really 100% efficient. This is why we need catalytic converters on cars. We have to convert the NOx emissions into other compounds that are more desirable (since large concentrations of NOx are poisonous and cause acid rain). A catalytic converter converts NOx into O2 and N2, and converts 2CO+02 ---> 2CO2. The unburned hydrocarbons are converted to CO2 and H2O in the catalytic converter. These are called "3-way" catalytic converters since they deal with CO, NOx, and unburned hydrocarbons. They have been standard in passenger cars since the early 1980's.

A few things we need to know about internal combustion engines. First, the more efficient they are, the less unburned hydrocarbons left over. That means more water vapor. It also means more NOx as a side-effect.

A jet engine is an internal combustion engine that converts kerosene (essentially less refined diesel fuel) into heat, which causes air to expand, which creates a jet of air out the back. Think of when you release the stem of a balloon. Same technology, except a jet engine continues to produce thrust until it runs out of fuel.

Since a jet engine is an internal combustion engine, just like a car engine, it burns fuel, produces H2O +CO2 + NOx and CO. Since jet engines typically run at nearly full power from takeoff to descent, they are designed to be most efficient at these power settings. Hence, they run very hot combustion temps (sustained temps that will melt the titanium components they are often produced with if they didn't have internal air cooling), and are about 90% efficient at turning jet fuel into thrust. However, that means they produce a lot of NOx emissions, but are very fuel efficient for how much power they produce.

The reason this is important is because of the by-products of combustion that we talked about earlier, mostly H2O.

When you are dealing with a jet engine (we will use the CFM-56 engines of a 737 as an example) you are burning copious amounts of fuel. A CFM-56 consumes about 3,000lbs of fuel per hour, per engine. That is about 450 gallons of fuel an hour. Times 2 engines, your average 737 is burning about 900 gallons of fuel for each hour it is in the air cruising). During takeoff or climb, that value can double to almost 6,000lb per hour/per engine). That would be equivalent to burning the weight of 2 CB7's worth of jet fuel every hour. Each gallon of fuel is going to produce several pounds of water as a by-product of combustion, since burning hydrocarbons produces lots of H20. This water vapor goes out the exhaust pipe with the rest of the accelerated air that allows the airplane to fly.

Take a jet spitting over a ton of water vapor out of each engine each hour, and put it in air temperatures that average around -40-50*C (that would -110 to -150*F) and it is goes without saying that the water coming out of the exhaust is going to freeze on contact with the airstream. The unburned jet fuel vapors will also instantaneously freeze at this point (since the freezing temp of jet fuel is about -40*F). When small droplets of water freeze, they make small ice crystals. This is what causes frost on cold winter days. Since the vapors are so small, they are very light and remain suspended in the air for long periods of time. If there is a lot of wind, the crystals will dissipate faster as the air movement caused by wind moves them around. It is not uncommon to have SUSTAINED winds of over 100-150 MPH during some months of the year at those altitudes. If the winds are calm, then the contrails can last for minutes or hours. Since ice crystals are very reflective, these contrails reflect and refract a lot of light, which makes them more visible, and is also responsible for the slight rainbow effect in that video you tried to show. Just like frost glistens and reflects when it is on your car in the morning.

To put the size of these contrails into perspective, consider how well you can see the vapor coming out of a car exhaust on a cold morning. An idling car is burning MAYBE .3 gallons an hour (probably more likely .1 or .2 gallons an hour). Multiply that by 10,000 and that is the amount of water a jet engine is spitting out at altitude during cruise.

Now, I am assuming based on your stance that you know nothing about airplanes, and only understand the jibberish that has been spewed forth to you by your conspiracy theory buddies, so I will explain the harsh realities of aviation to you.

First, airplanes are extraordinarily expensive to buy. Something on the order of $40 million to nearly $200 million EACH is common for airliners. A windshield on your car might cost $400. The windshield on your average Cessna is going run closer to $12K-20K, depending on the model. A set of sparkplugs for a 4 cylinder Cessna runs about $800. The cost of a jet engine such as the one on our 737 example is going to run $10-12 million for each one. Even rebuilt they run several million.

Here is the rub. People like us are only willing to pay $100 per ticket which means that often an airline is making virtually ZERO money on a seat. So to supplement income, they stuff the cargo compartment full of cargo that pays a little bit extra. The airplane is usually loaded as heavily as possible with people and bags to maximize revenue and cover costs. There is literally no room for mind control agents. Even the military planes are trying to move as much stuff in one load as possible and have no room for mind control agents. To put this in perspective, Southwest Airlines teaches their employees that the difference between making money on a flight and losing money on a flight is usually about 3 passengers. What that means is that if 3 passengers got up and left, Southwest would no longer make money on that flight. Multiply that by Southwest's 4,000 flights per day, and they are making money, but not a lot.

Now, this is REALLY going to blow your mind. If the government wants to control you through mind control chemicals, they are putting them in your drinking water. More coverage, easier exposure, and easier to control the dosages... Stew on THAT theory for a little bit.

[Quashish]

this is one of the few conspiracies I never understood. im more worried in whats in our city's water.

[illinois_erik]

thanks for the long post there professor.. ill go by what I see, in all of my 33 years your contrails disappear 30-45 seconds after the plane has gone by, you still see this sometimes, its also high altitude. this shit is not contrails. its low altitude and disperses like smoke. contrails disappear like any other water vapor you see. fill a bottle with water and pressurize it and depressurize..you have little clouds...they dissipate back into the atmosphere. this other shit does not work on those principles. Anyway im not going to read a bunch of shit thats spewed out to sound scientific and pat yourself on the back while saying *I* dont know what Im talking about.

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ice crystals in the sky yes..yes of course when its 60 degrees out and the things really not so high in the sky. and randomly ice crystals precipitated out of the air into one mass that stayed stationary on a windy day for more then 10 minutes. plausible. I think it was a bigass piece of metal shining light into the haze further over in the industrial park. but some random person supposedly saw it too over 15 mins away in light traffic. who knows..lol you dont, I dont, what I do know is that things are changing and lots of people are too naive or got their head so far up their ass they dont want to see obviously it wont be overt, itll be subversive. They've pretty much already won at demoralizing and desensitizing society with their precious media; realities distraction. look at the kids today that grew up with programming 2.0 on the boob tube..the fanatics over the "stars" . distractions... its all the same ball of wax.

[illinois_erik]

this is one of the few conspiracies I never understood. im more worried in whats in our city's water.

sodium fluoride. go look at the label on your plain old white bread..haha some of those 12 letter worded chemicals and acronyms you should look into..one of them is used to make styrofoam, but it helps make nice airy bread too

[Quashish]

yah I know fluoride is in there. I know white bread sucks for you. organic is just a scam for suckers. so are food allergies, my girlfriend is technically allergic to shell fish, strawberries, eggs... but she eats them anyways and develops a tolerance for them.

the air we breathe is contaminated, yah of course. chem trails honestly I don't find it farfetched that someone ?gov? would knowingly or unknowingly be dusting us with something that's bad for us. what has man made that doesn't have a side effect? what drugs, tools, innovations etc. that were designed with a good purpose in mind cant be weponized or made to harm? nothing really.

the human race is screwed left to rely on itself. no matter how hard we try to fix our problems there will always be downfalls on our part. it would be nice to know the answers to things like this but no one will ever know. truth is skewed, it's all perspective.

I like to wear my foil hat and look into stuff like this having said all that though.

[evil_demon_01]

Never understood the drama over chemtrails myself.
But each to their own.


Honestly I'd be more concerned with the Trillions of burnt (and potential unburnt) Avgas covering the world EACH day . . .
A 10 hour flight from a 747 uses about 150,000 litres (36,000 gallons) of fuel.
Ten flights = 1,500,000 litres (360,000 gallons)

So What are the potential heath/pasture effects from burnt/unburnt Avgas . . . .
Probably the same as a regular car, BUT on a seriously high scale and acting like a blanket, not confined to cities.



Point is, Chemtrails out to "Test" or "Harm" us, my ass.
The actual plane being in the sky is always bigger threat





However there ARE actual chemicals used in the sky for genuine reasons - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_seeding

[owequitit]

thanks for the long post there professor.. ill go by what I see, in all of my 33 years your contrails disappear 30-45 seconds after the plane has gone by, you still see this sometimes, its also high altitude. this shit is not contrails. its low altitude and disperses like smoke. contrails disappear like any other water vapor you see. fill a bottle with water and pressurize it and depressurize..you have little clouds...they dissipate back into the atmosphere. this other shit does not work on those principles. Anyway im not going to read a bunch of shit thats spewed out to sound scientific and pat yourself on the back while saying *I* dont know what Im talking about.

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ice crystals in the sky yes..yes of course when its 60 degrees out and the things really not so high in the sky. and randomly ice crystals precipitated out of the air into one mass that stayed stationary on a windy day for more then 10 minutes. plausible. I think it was a bigass piece of metal shining light into the haze further over in the industrial park. but some random person supposedly saw it too over 15 mins away in light traffic. who knows..lol you dont, I dont, what I do know is that things are changing and lots of people are too naive or got their head so far up their ass they dont want to see obviously it wont be overt, itll be subversive. They've pretty much already won at demoralizing and desensitizing society with their precious media; realities distraction. look at the kids today that grew up with programming 2.0 on the boob tube..the fanatics over the "stars" . distractions... its all the same ball of wax.

Awww. Look, someone got sand in their vagina. If you can't refute the point, don't even bother responding because you sure as hell better come back at me with something better than "Anyway im not going to read a bunch of shit thats spewed out to sound scientific and pat yourself on the back while saying *I* dont know what Im talking about." You clearly DON'T know what you are talking about, and anyone who does know what they are talking about can smell the bullshit from a mile away. Bring some substance or STFU.

You aren't going to respond because ultimately you know you can't. You can bash what I said as whatever you want to label it, but the hard reality is that it is factual, versus your bogus argument which is based on assumption.

1)How do you know how high those trails were? Did you measure them, or are you just assuming? The video you posted certainly showed nothing out of the ordinary.

2) You do realize that even as low as 15,000 feet the temperatures can be well below freezing, even if the surface temperature is well above freezing right? Of course you would have to actually understand how the atmosphere works to know that, and clearly you don't. Unless of course you want to prove me wrong?

Did you ever stop to consider the fact that perhaps it was a space rocket launch, or it could have been an emergency that required the plane in question to dump its fuel load from the tanks? Having seen the rocket launch trails personally, they can look weird and eerie if you don't know what they are (doesn't mean they are mind control substances). Either one would explain thick trails from an "aircraft" that either were at low altitude or appeared to be at low altitude. However, what you have posted doesn't do anything to conclusively prove low altitude, and nothing in your video was at anything even resembling low altitude.

3) Perspective matters, and it isn't always as perceived. How high was the cloud layer in that video you posted?

Never understood the drama over chemtrails myself.
But each to their own.


Honestly I'd be more concerned with the Trillions of burnt (and potential unburnt) Avgas covering the world EACH day . . .
A 10 hour flight from a 747 uses about 150,000 litres (36,000 gallons) of fuel.
Ten flights = 1,500,000 litres (360,000 gallons)

So What are the potential heath/pasture effects from burnt/unburnt Avgas . . . .
Probably the same as a regular car, BUT on a seriously high scale and acting like a blanket, not confined to cities.



Point is, Chemtrails out to "Test" or "Harm" us, my ass.
The actual plane being in the sky is always bigger threat





However there ARE actual chemicals used in the sky for genuine reasons - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_seeding

A couple of facts:

1)Airplanes burn most of their fuel, so there is actually very little left over unburned fuel. Jets don't burn avgas. They burn what is essentially diesel. The by-products of the burned fuel are the same as a car.

2) The quantity seems like it would be a lot, but when you consider the scale of the number of daily flights, it is nothing compared to what we burn on surface based transportation every day. If you look at it on a per person scale, it is even better, because the amount of fuel burned to move one person that distance is much smaller than your average car.

3) The pollutants are less toxic to humans because most of them remain high in the atmosphere. The possible exception would be the NOx emissions, which are known to cause ozone issues, but again, total production is far less than cars. Also, what is there is much more likely to become evenly distributed over time due to their not being any airflow restrictions up at that altitude.

[illinois_erik]

Awww. Look, someone got sand in their vagina. If you can't refute the point, don't even bother responding because you sure as hell better come back at me with something better than "Anyway im not going to read a bunch of shit thats spewed out to sound scientific and pat yourself on the back while saying *I* dont know what Im talking about." You clearly DON'T know what you are talking about, and anyone who does know what they are talking about can smell the bullshit from a mile away. Bring some substance or STFU.

You aren't going to respond because ultimately you know you can't. You can bash what I said as whatever you want to label it, but the hard reality is that it is factual, versus your bogus argument which is based on assumption.

1)How do you know how high those trails were? Did you measure them, or are you just assuming? The video you posted certainly showed nothing out of the ordinary.

2) You do realize that even as low as 15,000 feet the temperatures can be well below freezing, even if the surface temperature is well above freezing right? Of course you would have to actually understand how the atmosphere works to know that, and clearly you don't. Unless of course you want to prove me wrong?

Did you ever stop to consider the fact that perhaps it was a space rocket launch, or it could have been an emergency that required the plane in question to dump its fuel load from the tanks? Having seen the rocket launch trails personally, they can look weird and eerie if you don't know what they are (doesn't mean they are mind control substances). Either one would explain thick trails from an "aircraft" that either were at low altitude or appeared to be at low altitude. However, what you have posted doesn't do anything to conclusively prove low altitude, and nothing in your video was at anything even resembling low altitude.

3) Perspective matters, and it isn't always as perceived. How high was the cloud layer in that video you posted?



A couple of facts:

1)Airplanes burn most of their fuel, so there is actually very little left over unburned fuel. Jets don't burn avgas. They burn what is essentially diesel. The by-products of the burned fuel are the same as a car.

2) The quantity seems like it would be a lot, but when you consider the scale of the number of daily flights, it is nothing compared to what we burn on surface based transportation every day. If you look at it on a per person scale, it is even better, because the amount of fuel burned to move one person that distance is much smaller than your average car.

3) The pollutants are less toxic to humans because most of them remain high in the atmosphere. The possible exception would be the NOx emissions, which are known to cause ozone issues, but again, total production is far less than cars. Also, what is there is much more likely to become evenly distributed over time due to their not being any airflow restrictions up at that altitude.

again another book typed and not read.. i dont have a vagina and youre invited to come see if youd like, perhaps after then you can type a whole book about it..anyway. Whered you get your degree, the little bit i skim through you really try hard to come off as some sort of dexter, therefore your shit gets skimmed. oh well. P.S. Im glad you feel that you were somehow the one that caused some sort of reaction out of me, not really but i got you to type back a pages worth that isnt even being read lol.

[deevergote]

Now THIS is how we have an adult discussion!
Why couldn't the idiots that responded in my recent controversial thread have realized it. I mean, what's an adult discussion without reasonable, factual information, and someone to insult the person giving said information because they're too lazy or unwilling to bother even trying to comprehend it (yet they're convinced that they're educated enough themselves to continue with the conversation.)

Erik, owequitit is a pilot. Not just one who flies, but one who trains others to fly. He doesn't know a goddamn thing about airplanes. You, of course, in your vast expertise, don't even have to read his words to know that he's a complete idiot!

[illinois_erik]

Now THIS is how we have an adult discussion!
Why couldn't the idiots that responded in my recent controversial thread have realized it. I mean, what's an adult discussion without reasonable, factual information, and someone to insult the person giving said information because they're too lazy or unwilling to bother even trying to comprehend it (yet they're convinced that they're educated enough themselves to continue with the conversation.)

Erik, owequitit is a pilot. Not just one who flies, but one who trains others to fly. He doesn't know a goddamn thing about airplanes. You, of course, in your vast expertise, don't even have to read his words to know that he's a complete idiot!

excuse me pontificated one but being a pilot has nothing to do with the shit I see in the sky..we know what fucking contrails are we learned this in 3rd grade. he's inside a fragile aluminum tube flying thru the shit so now he's a professor in whats in the sky? no.. the pictures i showed arent a prime example but somehow that was jumped on, those were from a passenger liner that had passed about 10 minutes beforehand.. i didnt get the picture of it way off in the horizon, when the initial output does indeed look like contrails.. anyway everyone on heres such a know it all anyway. Just because you think its some way because you think you know or it appears to be so doesnt mean its true. And honestly i wouldnt be so snap back if people didnt come off like fat dicks on here indirectly or not. oh well not my problem people choose not to have an open mind. (well to these sorts of things) anyway off to work have a good day, and look in the sky once in a while. None of my opinions are rehashed crap, I have a question and research it and wow other people are asking the same questions...

[deevergote]

A lot of people worshiped the sun at some point, too...

And yes, because he's a pilot, he does know a hell of a lot. He's required to know more than just how to wiggle a joystick.

Truthfully... why would anyone use planes to spray us with chemicals? How would anyone use planes to spray us with chemicals? How could they do it without someone knowing? And I don't mean someone on the ground saying "hey, I'm an expert on contrails, and that ain't no contrail!"

Let's look at it from another perspective. People say it's "mind control drugs" or something, right? I have an education both psychology and pharmacology. There are NO drugs in existence that would magically make people susceptible to a specific instruction. Anything that would make a person more open to suggestion would be very vague, and the intended suggestion would need to be forced upon them. In a large scale, this would be extremely obvious. Subliminal messages don't work. Subtle hints don't work. If a drug were to be used as "mind control" for the masses, we'd need billboards everywhere, radio and television stations all broadcasting the exact same thing, phones ringing with messages... those sorts of things.

If it's not mind control, then what is it? Cancer? Population control? Is the illuminati made up of medical professionals, who want to make us all sick so we'll keep them in business?


The often simple truth is... if there's no good reason for someone to be doing something, they're probably not doing it.

[phatdoughnut]

The government has done a lot of, and still might?, so for me it's not to far fetched that they might be spraying shit in the air be it for weather or what have you.

http://markdice.com/index.php?option...122:chemtrails