Controversial discussion... please keep it mature!

[illinois_erik]

if they didnt make sandwiches after she was 18, then there is nothing..now shell have to wait till the other chicks 18 too. people are dumb. the younger chick should fight to be emancipated now lol then they can run away and elope. and that r/j law is so, say youre a senior and fall for a freshman.. 4years even after the senior graduates. but say theyre a junior in college and get with a hs freshman..carve an X in your head

[illinois_erik]

oh and the whole structure for the LBGT folks is based on its their choice, however science is starting to prove that is more of an in utero hormone fubar that installs a full or partial opposite sex brain in the body. If thats proven 100% then that whole equal rights for your choices is out the window..will it then become looked at as a disability?

[turboAccordHSF]

The fuck just happened? Lol

I knew that was going to be brought up...but anyways.

On topic...

Deev, do you know there girls personally?

[deevergote]

oh and the whole structure for the LBGT folks is based on its their choice, however science is starting to prove that is more of an in utero hormone fubar that installs a full or partial opposite sex brain in the body. If thats proven 100% then that whole equal rights for your choices is out the window..will it then become looked at as a disability?

Not a single homosexual person in this world believes it is a choice. *** people are attracted to the same sex just as straight people are attracted to the opposite sex.

Yes, it's something to do with the brain, and how things developed. It's not a disability, unless you look at it from an evolutionary standpoint... as homosexuality is contrary to the perpetuation of the species... but humans have no problems with that, so it's a non-issue! Plus, modern technology and society (to a point) allow homosexual people to reproduce and become parents. My cousin Beth and her partner (legally married) are the proud parents of twins. And very good parents, at that.

Think of it more like being left handed. Nothing wrong with left handed people. Their brains aren't defective. But their primary hand is the one that isn't the primary hand for most people. Something in the development of their brain said "this is how things are going to happen", and that's that. Ironically, left handed people were once persecuted as being possessed by demons. The Latin word for "left" is "sinister".

The fuck just happened? Lol

I knew that was going to be brought up...but anyways.

On topic...

Deev, do you know there girls personally?

No. Just a discussion that came up on Facebook.

[illinois_erik]

Not a single homosexual person in this world believes it is a choice. *** people are attracted to the same sex just as straight people are attracted to the opposite sex.

funny cause thats what I hear when theyre hootin and hollering about fair rights. its their choice. disability as in being labeled by the soon and upcoming obama healthcare, really anyone that wants to further label.
Im not saying it is or isnt, but thats been their basis arguing for rights. Because if you were "born that way" say 20 years ago, of course something was wrong with you..anywho

The whole crossed pathways in the neural net.. probably nature trying to reduce the population, just as it happens in the animal kingdom..too many female hyenas BAM a penis sprouts outta one and they continue (theyre all transexual to start with though) , some amphibians too will mutate into usually all females when the ecosystem is stressed..could even be our own doing, since birth control is only taken up by the body in the high tenths of a percent and the rest of the hormones are pissed away into the water system where they do not degrade or go away, theyve been linked to fish problems and other animals.


anyway, if the 18 yo hasnt hit it since being 18 then no law was broken, it doesnt matter what gender or status they are. Also the parents stating that the main reason theyre sic'ing the cops 'cause theyre homophobes that could turn the tables and flip it back onto them. either way its lame kids cant even be kids these days

[uslspct]

^^^And now that line is in my sig^^^

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3302713.html

I feel the laws, age gaps and others, should be rewritten, and be federal laws. This country is insane with it's sexual paranoia.
No prosecutor would go out of their way to bring this to trial even if they knew all the details first hand, it's only cause the parents are bitching like bitches that this is going forward.
And in a case like this where they knowingly let their daughter continue in a relationship that was about to be illegal at age 18 and therefor charges able to be filed, they should be charged that same day with child neglect. Might as well bring down the whole ship.
I can be thrown in jail if I never tell the police about my friend who showed me detailed plans about committing a crime and then he actually goes through with it. No difference. Get rid of both laws.

[8ball]

If the 15 year old is brainwashed enough she can deny completely the accusations against her fellow license licker. In court the 15 and 18 both have to take the stand one as a defendant the other as a witness. If both stories add up the way the defense attorney wants then its all good.

Now on to the real answer. Yes she should be tried for her crime. Only because I'm a law abiding citizen and I 100% trust in our due and fair trial justice system. -_- *sarcasm*

[8ball]

Because if you were "born that way" say 20 years ago, of course something was wrong with youdays

Back in the good old days it was diagnosed as a mental disease; and viewed as a sickness. Now thanks to eating out of plastic (o-estrogen) and trans dermal paints that contain similar chemicals like the plastic mentioned above (o-estrogen); the president applauding *** rights; athletes; models; "entertainers"; producers of cartoons; in general media that kids admire are basically saying "Be yourself! Express your self the way we do!". Sadly they have been hormonally and sublimanlly altered and adulterated by their environments. All those hormone induced meats and suck really do trickle down the food chain. Same with the prescribed meds they give them, clearly its over diagnosis of "conditions". Kids are so doped up these days from over "diagnosis" they don't need drugs; but to add to the problem we have 1/3 of Americans that use some form of substance.

So in a sense yeah I'm disgusted by the thoughts and actions of homosexuals but its still their rights to do as they choose behind closed doors.

I don't need my young cousins etc to think and feel that being a homosexual is ok, especially if its because they are curious from what they see in tv or public.

[jhoff]

Everyone seems to be on the same page...

Btw this is Kate.

[h22sparkle]

I'm not one sided or anything but I think somehow when the parents got involved I think they should be more concerned because I'm sure they knew what was going join when the two individuals began to interact with one another at some given point in time. They must have been really oblivious to actually watch the signs that they did have a relationship together.

[phatdoughnut]

This isn't a rape issue this is a *** and lesbian issue.

If a guy can get charged with the same crime so should she, they want equality and they should get equiality damn it.

[LadyG]

even being careful doesnt work sometimes

a good friend of mine's brother is a registered sex offender because of statutory.

the sad thing is he met the girl IN A BAR (21+ only), and ID'ed her before taking her home (she had a fake ID saying she was 21)

she ended up being underage, and parents pressed charges when they found out.

realistically he should have been wary (i imagine she looked younger than 21), but the fact that he saw her ID and she was in a bar should be admissible defense (IMO)

I know someone who uses this story to explain his sex offender charges, even though that is NOT what happened... unless you are privy to actual court documents, there is no way to honestly know how someone gets that "status".

That being said, The ^^Guy referenced above went to "classes" with a kid that got racked for exactly what we are discussing- He was 4 years older that his HS GF. He lived in her mother's house. (Mom totally knew about the sexual aspect) BUT, something went missing from the house, she laid blame to him- and filed statutory rape charges. (Their sexual relationship started when she was 15, and thereby, under the age of consent)
He is now, and forever more, a "sex offender". Which, he was NOT. (as we think of the general definition of the term)

The saddest part about these laws and their repercussions is that they are broad strokes. There is no legal differentiation between a child Fing baby rapist, and this kid I mention. REPEAT offenders are labeled "sexual predators" but that is the only severity line that is drawn- and that I find to not be "just".

As a Mom of three sons, I will pound it into their heads (***, strait, purple, whatev) that girls LIE about their ages A LOT. And if you are not sure, ID her AND ask her to repeat the info on her license. Most kids with fake ID's don't memorize the info... Its the best safeguard I can devise.

The law in Fl contains a "Romeo an Juliet" clause that allows for consensual relationships in these situations as long as two criteria are met. 1. the age difference is not more that 4 years 2. the sexual relationship started AFTER the age of consent (16)
which is where this case we are discussing has a leg to stand on, and why her charges are being reduced and not just thrown out.

This is the longest post I've made in a while!! lol

[deevergote]

Back in the good old days it was diagnosed as a mental disease; and viewed as a sickness. Now thanks to eating out of plastic (o-estrogen) and trans dermal paints that contain similar chemicals like the plastic mentioned above (o-estrogen); the president applauding *** rights; athletes; models; "entertainers"; producers of cartoons; in general media that kids admire are basically saying "Be yourself! Express your self the way we do!". Sadly they have been hormonally and sublimanlly altered and adulterated by their environments. All those hormone induced meats and suck really do trickle down the food chain. Same with the prescribed meds they give them, clearly its over diagnosis of "conditions". Kids are so doped up these days from over "diagnosis" they don't need drugs; but to add to the problem we have 1/3 of Americans that use some form of substance.

So in a sense yeah I'm disgusted by the thoughts and actions of homosexuals but its still their rights to do as they choose behind closed doors.

I don't need my young cousins etc to think and feel that being a homosexual is ok, especially if its because they are curious from what they see in tv or public.

Do yourself a favor and do not continue posting in this thread. You do not have the mental capacity to have a mature conversation on this topic.

I'm not one sided or anything but I think somehow when the parents got involved I think they should be more concerned because I'm sure they knew what was going join when the two individuals began to interact with one another at some given point in time. They must have been really oblivious to actually watch the signs that they did have a relationship together.

Oh, I'm quite certain that the parents were aware. It went on for a year, and they apparently had a problem with it the whole time. BUT, they didn't take any sort of legal action, or any action to ensure the girls were separated, until Kate was 18.

This isn't a rape issue this is a *** and lesbian issue.

If a guy can get charged with the same crime so should she, they want equality and they should get equiality damn it.

EXACTLY!
It almost sounds mean to say it that way, but it's absolutely true. Equality doesn't just mean "you get to share in all the good stuff, but you won't be held accountable for the bad stuff." Equality is EQUALITY.

I know someone who uses this story to explain his sex offender charges, even though that is NOT what happened... unless you are privy to actual court documents, there is no way to honestly know how someone gets that "status".

That being said, The ^^Guy referenced above went to "classes" with a kid that got racked for exactly what we are discussing- He was 4 years older that his HS GF. He lived in her mother's house. (Mom totally knew about the sexual aspect) BUT, something went missing from the house, she laid blame to him- and filed statutory rape charges. (Their sexual relationship started when she was 15, and thereby, under the age of consent)
He is now, and forever more, a "sex offender". Which, he was NOT. (as we think of the general definition of the term)

The saddest part about these laws and their repercussions is that they are broad strokes. There is no legal differentiation between a child Fing baby rapist, and this kid I mention. REPEAT offenders are labeled "sexual predators" but that is the only severity line that is drawn- and that I find to not be "just".

As a Mom of three sons, I will pound it into their heads (***, strait, purple, whatev) that girls LIE about their ages A LOT. And if you are not sure, ID her AND ask her to repeat the info on her license. Most kids with fake ID's don't memorize the info... Its the best safeguard I can devise.

The law in Fl contains a "Romeo an Juliet" clause that allows for consensual relationships in these situations as long as two criteria are met. 1. the age difference is not more that 4 years 2. the sexual relationship started AFTER the age of consent (16)
which is where this case we are discussing has a leg to stand on, and why her charges are being reduced and not just thrown out.

This is the longest post I've made in a while!! lol

From everything I can find, Florida's age of consent is 18, not 16.

Dark blue is 16, brown is 17, green is 18.

[Hopeless]

I know someone who uses this story to explain his sex offender charges, even though that is NOT what happened... unless you are privy to actual court documents, there is no way to honestly know how someone gets that "status".

Fair enough. its my best friend's (of many years) brother and he told me a lot of the ongoings as it was going through court, so i generally accept it as what happened, but i wasnt there personally, or personally saw any documents, so you could very much be right.

The saddest part about these laws and their repercussions is that they are broad strokes. There is no legal differentiation between a child Fing baby rapist, and this kid I mention. REPEAT offenders are labeled "sexual predators" but that is the only severity line that is drawn- and that I find to not be "just".

this is what gets me the most about these situations. compound that with the fact that its a very popular tool that people use get back at other people, and you end up with with normal individuals that made a very basic "mistake" of having a sexual relationship with a highschool girlfriend, carrying the same label as the 40 year old guy in the next neighborhood over that was molesting his 3 year old niece.

[deevergote]

I don't know exactly how the law stands, but I believe it is a VERY serious offense if someone is found to be using such laws maliciously. Any woman crying rape when it can be proven that she was NOT raped can face some major consequences. Though that's regular old adult-on-adult rape. I mean, statutory rape is statutory rape... if an adult sleeps with a minor, it is what it is. It may not be "abuse", but the legal definition of a minor is someone that is not emotionally and mentally mature to make adult decisions. Therefore, even the most well-intentioned relationship between an adult and a minor, even with only a few months' difference between them, is ALL on the adult.
Unfortunately, many people do develop at different rates. Some 14 year olds may have reached a certain level of emotional maturity. Some 19 year olds may still be as emotionally immature as a child. The law can't be bent for every instance, however... or we'd be drowning in psychologists and appeals.
Making it cut and dry is easier. Everyone knows the law, or at least they should. Everyone in this country knows that 18 means you are an adult according to the law. People may not know the specifics of their area's laws regarding sex with a minor, but everyone should be smart enough to realize that perhaps it's something worth looking into BEFORE engaging in such an act!


Though I do agree that an 18 year old that was fooling around with his/her highschool sweetheart that is 2-3 years younger isn't exactly on par with a creepy sexual predator. I believe in many cases, the law recognizes that as well, and lesser charges are often the result. As long as there was no clear "malicious abuse", and the parents do not wish to push for the maximum penalty (perhaps a problem for Kate...) then lesser charges are likely.

In fact, if there is a precedent showing lesser charges being pressed against someone in a situation similar to Kate's, and the parents have shown clearly that the driving force behind their anger is their disapproval of Kate's sexual preference, then it could essentially be argued that any severe charges pressed (and pursued by the court) could be construed as a hate crime.

It's a thin defense, but for Kate's sake, hopefully one her lawyer considers.