Anyone affected by the Sequestration?

[Ralphie]

No I'm not, but it seems some people here think unemployment is not taxed, like its a free ride or something.

I don't know who you're referring to, but I don't believe it's a free ride for all.


I have been on unemployment, and I had medicaid in NYC when I didn't have health insurance through a job.

The difference is , is that like you, I applied for work and got a job. When I got a job, I no longer needed those supplements.


A lot of people, unlike yourself, do not try or do so in a way that will allow them to stay on the supplements because they are fucking lazy.

I have a relative by marriage that is doing this. He has a lot of issues but does not apply himself enough so he does odd jobs and stays on unemployment.

There are so many immigrants, a lot from Russia, who are on food stamps but have Gucci purses and Armani Suits.

They know they can work the system and they eat that shit up.

Those are the people we are referring too, not the people who apply themselves like yourself.

Nah, very familiar with all of that.



The thing is, there are so many aspects of finance to get into. That is more my point.


There will always be someone lobbying to do business. People that do business need people in finance.

In any case, no matter how in demand something is, it does not equate to immunity. In the private sector, you can be laid off anytime without a reason, especially if you're in a non-union right to work state.

The only place that was generally safe from that was the Federal Govt. Once you became a permanent federal employee, it takes an act of congress to let you go.

Though, it seems like it's getting closer to not being true anymore, only time will tell.

[Ralphie]

I doubt you'll see any layoffs from uncle Sam. The last time there were any furloughs people actually got back pay once everything stabilized.

I can survive for a while without a check but what pisses me off is that they refuse to raise taxes on the rich, I get taxed at 30% while the rich barely touch 15%, and have a bunch of loopholes to have untaxed income.

Ya well that I agree with 100%.

The have's just know how to play the game better then the have nots.

They fuck up everything in the process.

Hopefully that's all that happens this time as well.

[toycar]

I don't know who you're referring to, but I don't believe it's a free ride for all.


I have been on unemployment, and I had medicaid in NYC when I didn't have health insurance through a job.

The difference is , is that like you, I applied for work and got a job. When I got a job, I no longer needed those supplements.


A lot of people, unlike yourself, do not try or do so in a way that will allow them to stay on the supplements because they are fucking lazy.

I have a relative by marriage that is doing this. He has a lot of issues but does not apply himself enough so he does odd jobs and stays on unemployment.

There are so many immigrants, a lot from Russia, who are on food stamps but have Gucci purses and Armani Suits.

They know they can work the system and they eat that shit up.

Those are the people we are referring too, not the people who apply themselves like yourself.




In any case, no matter how in demand something is, it does not equate to immunity. In the private sector, you can be laid off anytime without a reason, especially if you're in a non-union right to work state.

The only place that was generally safe from that was the Federal Govt. Once you became a permanent federal employee, it takes an act of congress to let you go.

Though, it seems like it's getting closer to not being true anymore, only time will tell.

As long as money exists, people like me will also exist managing it.

That's all I'm sayin.

[Ralphie]

As long as money exists, people like me will also exist managing it.

That's all I'm sayin.

I can appreciate your motivation, but when the economy collapses and our dollar has the same value as toilet paper, you might want to think of a new career, unless you like managing toilet paper.

LOL.

Just saying.

[Ralphie]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/23/op...mies.html?_r=0

That's a pretty funny article about what's going on.


And for the record, Obama met with Congress, and they told him to fuck off.

I'll just leave this quote here-

These sequester cuts are on an automatic trigger. To avert it, you have to come up with an alternative that’s acceptable to the Republicans in the House of Representatives — possibly the only people in the country who would prefer furloughing air traffic controllers to a minimum tax on millionaires.

[cb7pr]

I'm not yet, but I have over 15 friends that are Border Patrol agents...they are feeling it. Most dont have a fall back plan on certain financial situations, and others will be hurting in the long run. This is frustrating knowing how much these inidividuals bust their ass protecting our country, while the rest of american society that lives of welfare stay at home collecting a check.

[lucifer1]

I can survive for a while without a check but what pisses me off is that they refuse to raise taxes on the rich, I get taxed at 30% while the rich barely touch 15%, and have a bunch of loopholes to have untaxed income.

15% rate is not on salary or normal income. They pay high rates like everyone else or regular income. You have the same ability to pay the 15%.

The "rich" already pay more in taxes than they should(even at a 15% rate). If taxes were really fair, the more money you make the less the rate would be. Why should anyone have give millions a year in taxes for working hard while others have to pay nothing. A simple flat tax across the board with no exemptions for anyone would be the best for all, but our govt doesn't want that. Why would they give up the power from irs and class warfare.

The lower income people are the ones that need to pay their fair share.
The govt cannot get out of it's debt problems even if it confiscated all the wealth from the so called rich people.

But don't worry, 'rich' is a moving target and keeps getting lower and lower. I would not be surprised if emperor obummer defines 'rich' as anyone working before his eighth year.

[Accrdwgnguy]

I know people like that. My gf's father and brother are like this. Her brother is 22, has never had a job (wtf) and somehow is able to get food stamps. Her Dad somehow gets by owning his house by borrowing money from people and never paying it back.

How the fuck does someone who's never had a job in his life, never even tried, qualify for gov't assistance? Yet when I apply for my unemployment check every week, I have to prove proof I'm looking for a job, at least 5 job searches a week. Never mind the detailed application.

[ChIoVnIdCa]

I know people like that. My gf's father and brother are like this. Her brother is 22, has never had a job (wtf) and somehow is able to get food stamps. Her Dad somehow gets by owning his house by borrowing money from people and never paying it back.

How the fuck does someone who's never had a job in his life, never even tried, qualify for gov't assistance? Yet when I apply for my unemployment check every week, I have to prove proof I'm looking for a job, at least 5 job searches a week. Never mind the detailed application.

What industry were you in ?

[Accrdwgnguy]

What industry were you in ?

IT/Computer networking.

[PakaloloHonda]

15% rate is not on salary or normal income. They pay high rates like everyone else or regular income. You have the same ability to pay the 15%.

The "rich" already pay more in taxes than they should(even at a 15% rate). If taxes were really fair, the more money you make the less the rate would be. Why should anyone have give millions a year in taxes for working hard while others have to pay nothing..

Post of the thread ^ someone actually gets it!

[jhoff]

As a family of three, I am the only one working at the moment. I depend on the state to help us out. My newborn daughter has state insurance, we also get food stamps, and get WIC. In a way I live off the state. My girlfriend is in the process of getting her CNA. Even making ten bucks an hr isnt enough for a family of three. But I do know of people/familys that realy abuse the system. In fact one of them told my girlfriend to not add me to anything because I have an income. She ignored them and lost her state insurance.

For the people out there that need it, its hard to get what you need. For the ones that play the system, get everything.

[owequitit]

http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news...antaneous?lite


This has really got me upset.

I am affected, as once shit rolls down hill, I've been informed I will be off without pay for one day a pay period for a maximum of 14 days.


That alone is upsetting, but I was ready to deal with it, especially since I have a per diem gig that I can fall back on.


If you read that article, it states that while retirement will be affected and this will be the equivalent to a 20% cut in pay, what won't be affected is-

*Food stamps
*Medicaid
*SSI
etc



So basically, once again, the people who work are the ones taking the hit because you bet your ass that the crackheads sitting at home milking the system will get their check friday.


They are saying the lines at the airport and customs will grow longer as they reduce staff.....again affected people who work for their money....

Why couldn't they just cut welfare....let them fucks go out and clean some dishes or something for a few weeks....that would probably save just as much as this furlough shit will.


I just don't understand how we got to this point, and I know the addage is to go out and vote and educate on how it works, but I feel like the last few years have had record voting and yet it doesn't matter because at the end of the day they do what's good for them and their donators, not for the American populace.


Just really upsetting.


Just wanted to vent.

Not sure how many Federal workers are on here, but really everyone is affected in some way.

There has been talk about them closing our control tower. That would be a clusterfuck and a half with results worse than an uptick in crime...

I've BEEN affected. I was supposed to go out in the woods last month to play G.I. Joe. The civillians who were supposed to be there to run the equipment/ranges were given the week off. So I sat in a hut for 4 days. Got my 3 meals, but that was about it. This upcoming weekend is another "chill in the hut" event.

Keep in mind guys that it's not so much the "crackheads" who won't work, it's their children who can't. I know it sucks, I'm not defending anyone, nor does my racial status compel me to cry out, because the statistics are not as they appear to be. One thing also is that if those "crackheads" don't get their money, crime will definitely go up. I can only imagine the senseless murders occuring due to the lack of money in the poor and middle class communities across the country, maybe in a suburb that your or my families might reside in. Again I'm not advocating for the non-productive members of society, but the system is that way for a reason; maybe not good ones, but reasons in the end.


I know Obama facilitated the sequester, and while I did vote for him, his constant approach to "Reaching across the Table" is his downfall. He really believed (and I did too) that neither party would allow their pride to go this far. I'm not a Republican, but I will give them credit, they do what they want regardless. We need to have that same approach, which is what should have happened in the first term, now we're stuck because of the minortity in the House. Let's not just blame him, but Congress as well.

We? They? What ever happened to "US?."

1) The sequester wasn't put in place because Obama thought both parties were "too big" to let themselves get in the way. It was part of a delay tactic
that has been happening since 2008 under the current administration.

The Democrats absolutely refuse to compromise on key issues (like putting together a budget and cutting spending) so they keep offering carrots to the Republicans to get them to agree to short term deals that keep the Blue agenda rolling without making it appear to the public they are unwilling to compromise. You saw it with the fiscal cliff where they wouldn't agree to certain things and got the Republicans to push off spending cuts for a few more months, and they did it with every intention of pushing them off again come that deadline.

The sequester was put into place so that they could buy their few more years on budget issues in hopes that by the time it came around the Republicans would have been erradicated from any standing whatsoever. It didn't work. I have watched the Republicans give into the Democrats at least 3 or 4 times in the last year (because they know their political ground is shaky) with absolutely nothing long term in return. It was only a matter of time before the strategy backfired.

2) Obama wouldn't know the first thing about "reaching across the table." He simply SAYS he is reaching across the table, but when it comes to actual policy creation, negotiation, and compromise there is virtually none. However, where he excels is in being able to turn around and say "they won't compromise" to a group of supporters who is too dumb to know the difference. They just assume that because he says the Republicans won't compromise means it must be so.

Case in point:

With the fiscal cliff talks, the Republicans presented a slew of ideas that they wanted to help the problem. The Democrats presented theirs. Neither side like the other's options, but ultimately, the Republicans were the first to come forward with tax compromise on the upper class. Rather than work toward the middle, the Democrats didn't counter offer something more pallatable to them, they simply said "not good enough" while offering nothing in return. Eventually, by the end of the deal, the Democrats got the Republicans to push off the majority of their agenda until several months down the road (May, if memory serves) while giving relatively little in return. They were able to do this because even though the Democrats were at least as guilty of holding the line as Republicans, the pent up distaste over President Bush still puts most people blaming the Republicans.

So the Republicans agreed to push off most of their agenda in order to not be the "bad guys." The Democrats knew full and well they could probably get that to happen, and come May, will play more of the same bullshit to try and get them to push it off again. Just you watch.

3) The REAL problem here is people who can only see one side of the equation and just assume that 50% of the population has no merit. The other problem is that each and every single shithead on Capitol Hill needs to go away and be removed from office. While you are sitting in your tent this weekend, consider what Nancy Pelosi and John Boehner are probably up to. You know that President Obama won't be feeling the effects of the sequester because nobody in a position to make such decisions wants them to affect THEIR lifestyle, so instead, they screw the people who support them.

And this is coming from someone who voted for Obama in 2008 and didn't in 2012 and never would again. He has been the biggest sham of cross aisle politics in at least a generation and seems to have everyone fooled by it with his propaganda machine running full force.

[owequitit]

As a family of three, I am the only one working at the moment. I depend on the state to help us out. My newborn daughter has state insurance, we also get food stamps, and get WIC. In a way I live off the state. My girlfriend is in the process of getting her CNA. Even making ten bucks an hr isnt enough for a family of three. But I do know of people/familys that realy abuse the system. In fact one of them told my girlfriend to not add me to anything because I have an income. She ignored them and lost her state insurance.

For the people out there that need it, its hard to get what you need. For the ones that play the system, get everything.

I have seen that many times. Pisses me off to no end. I don't mind helping, but the irony is that I can't get help when I need it, but apparently it is too much for them to reduce their benefits a little by declaring a boyfriend.

[Ralphie]

Well got word last week that the DOJ shuffled 150 million from other agencies to keep my agency afloat, so we're good until Sept.

So for now, no furloughs.