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    #46
    Originally posted by Leung View Post
    The only thing i'd be worried about the rifle is over penetrating the walls and hitting a neighbor. With the shotgun though, you get a wide blast and shorter range. I hate most of my neighbors anyhow so i could care less about them that and my house is pretty far from my closest neighbor.

    That makes me wonder, can civilians buy beanbag ammo for shotguns? You could shoot someone with one of those and it'd probably knock them on their ass. The other thing is that you won't have to spend time in court trying to say you killed the guy in self defense.
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      #47
      Originally posted by RedFalcoln View Post
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      I have a surveillance system, it records on a DVR, and saves it online to view from an iphone/ android/ PC or stream live, and alerts my phone of any intruders.

      And purchased a M14 rifle, I wasn't frightened just pissed off that they ran away. I'm in the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Academy...

      If you're gonna get a weapon just get a rifle, high accuracy and better range, shotguns are messy(remember this is your home you don't want a bunch of holes in your walls.) and you well personally I would not kill someone breaking in my house trying to make a quick buck. Just immobilize them if they try to run away...
      I hope you also got a dead bolt installed in the door, or remember to use it now. That would have prevented them from opening the door that way.

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        #48
        Originally posted by Leung View Post
        The only thing i'd be worried about the rifle is over penetrating the walls and hitting a neighbor. With the shotgun though, you get a wide blast and shorter range. I hate most of my neighbors anyhow so i could care less about them that and my house is pretty far from my closest neighbor.

        That makes me wonder, can civilians buy beanbag ammo for shotguns? You could shoot someone with one of those and it'd probably knock them on their ass. The other thing is that you won't have to spend time in court trying to say you killed the guy in self defense.

        I think you can, there isn't much you can't buy. I wouldn't be worried about defending myself because in most states if someone breaks in your house and you are in danger you have the right, once again most states. Plus it will be your word against his. Probably have a worse out come and will be charged.
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          #49
          Originally posted by 4CYLPOWER92 View Post
          I hope you also got a dead bolt installed in the door, or remember to use it now. That would have prevented them from opening the door that way.

          I got some chain looking thing but there is no way they are getting anything in between the door and the frame or behind the frame now there is thick nails in there.

          Originally posted by Leung View Post
          The only thing i'd be worried about the rifle is over penetrating the walls and hitting a neighbor. With the shotgun though, you get a wide blast and shorter range. I hate most of my neighbors anyhow so i could care less about them that and my house is pretty far from my closest neighbor.

          That makes me wonder, can civilians buy beanbag ammo for shotguns? You could shoot someone with one of those and it'd probably knock them on their ass. The other thing is that you won't have to spend time in court trying to say you killed the guy in self defense.
          That's why I recommended the M14 with 7.62X51mm .308 Winchester rounds, it's made for less then 12 inches of damage but as soon as it makes contact disintegrates into smaller pieces inside the intruder and not penetrating him, it's a personal defense round, a round strong enough from a shotgun to bring down a person would go further through your neighbors wall and cause higher damage then the .308 round. Non lethal munitions are completely legal for civilians and yeah you would not kill them depending on who you just shot they may or may not be standing, and where you shot them you might kill them(heart, throat, temple). And it brings up pretty nasty cases even when the person was an intruder or braking into your home, and you still have the case where hey he's still in my house! Where it goes from self defense to just hurting the guy. at least from a legal standpoint. But either way it would be good to have non lethal rounds, and some 00 Buckshots for when he's on the ground so he will be afraid to move.
          Last edited by RedFalcoln; 07-22-2012, 04:45 PM.

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            #50
            Shotgun pellets will not breach the exterior wall of your house unless fired at point blank range.

            Beanbags? Screw that get salt rounds and make it burn

            As far as wounding him to not get away? Just kill him, he's trying to leave, and you still shot him, lawyers will pounce on excessive force. If you're going to point a gun at someone you better me ready to kill. Wounding leaves you liable to be raked through the coals without a good lawyer. A dead man has no story to tell other than the cops found him un-invited in your home with a forced entry present.

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