I just recently contacted a engine importer about an H23A VTEC and they replied that they had two and neither of them would turn. He said he'd do a special price on them (both complete motors) which turned out to be $750. Now I wouldn't pay that unless one or both of them had PDE heads, which I doubt they do. But given that the cranks and pistons in these are fairly one-off repairing the potential problems here could be very difficult, what would you pay? I'm thinking since I'm already getting a replacement F22A to get this non-running car I bought running again, I have time to play with. But I would just like a few more opinions from others before I throw an unreasonable counteroffer back at him.
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Idk man..I wouldn't take it. $750 is a huge gamble on two motors that won't turn.Henry R
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no. because i can get 1 right now for $200 at the jy.Originally posted by Jarrett View PostOriginally posted by Mishakol129Comment
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A blue top?My Members' Ride Thread - It's a marathon build, not a sprint. But keep me honest on the update frequency!Comment
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Actually Im not 100% if it's blue or black.... There's a huge snow storm coming this way, so I can't check for a couple days.Originally posted by Jarrett View Post
edit...Shit...I wasn't paying attention, didn't read very well. The engine here is a H23A1, non-VTEC, sooooooooo, Yeah, that's a hefty gamble, my vote is no.Last edited by dj_ender; 01-18-2012, 01:11 AM.Originally posted by Mishakol129Comment
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Maybe $500 for 2. You know to expect a full rebuild right? Most likely have to replace pistons, bore the blocks. Might as well go all out and sleeve them, low compression pistons, big turbo, etc. Refresh the head, and smoke those front tires lol.Comment
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I would hope to not have to replace pistons. Doing so with that motor is next to impossible unless I ordered pistons from Honda of Japan. Same thing with the crankshaft. I may be willing to do $500 though it still seems on the high end given the uncertainty. If one of them had a PDE head I'd do it in a heartbeat. And yes, I'm intimately familiar with what's involved in rebuilding a motor. I'm merely asking from a value standpoint what people would pay for this.My Members' Ride Thread - It's a marathon build, not a sprint. But keep me honest on the update frequency!Comment
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depending on what the heads go for rebuilt, id probably pay for it but it helps when you can do all the machining yourself
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honestly IMHO h23a1's are garbage ( im not sure if that applies to the vtec model though ). ive never seen a non vtec last over 275k-300k. their cranks suck, their rods are nice, the heads are give and take. honestly i would rather buy an h22 and do a mild build rather than invest over half an h22 to be playing legos for months trying to get one motor out of 3 shit ones you then would be in possession of.Comment
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h23 crank is the same as the f22 nimrod.Comment
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me and Ghetto_CB7 were discussing this a few days ago. He thinks the H23's crank would have been held to a higher standard than the F22 due to the higher compression and redline. Dunno if he's dreaming or onto something. Just food for thought.Originally posted by wed3k View PostOriginally posted by Mishakol129Comment
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i wouldn't be worried about the crank at 8000 rpms. valve float and rod stretch comes to mind. 5 mains + main girdle + good oil clearances = tacherOriginally posted by dj_ender View PostComment
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I don't know if I give any credence to the "held to a higher standard" argument but the H23A VTEC crankshaft has 55mm mains. So in a replacement sense it's not the same as an F22A crankshaft. The only other motor I can possibly think of that would use this crank would possibly be DOHC F22B engines made after '97. And that's just a shot in the dark.
But to say an H23A1 crankshaft sucks is a little unjustified. And just so we're clear, these motors are not USDM H23A1 motors. They're H23A VTEC blue top motors that make 197hp.My Members' Ride Thread - It's a marathon build, not a sprint. But keep me honest on the update frequency!Comment
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I think he was refering to balance more than strength, but I'm guessing at his thoughts.Originally posted by wed3k View PostOriginally posted by Mishakol129Comment
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