Please....

[JohnD1079]

It sounds like a bunch of pussies in here defending the actions of the late-mentioned pussies. Thicken you skin, font give a fuck, and keep living life how always wanted to.

Ya I was bullied. Ya i bullied. Ya I seriously thought of suicide when I was in middle school, but I didnt because I always knew that I was a kid and the best was yet to come, wtf would I abort? These people need to stop being bitches, pick up and move on instead of dwelling on whatever negtive issue is in their life.

Deev, serious question. From your quick overveiw of your life, it sounds like it sucked(at least for a period of time)(no offense). Since you went through it, doesnt that jade you a bit to the fact that these people took their life away for a stupid silly reason like bullying?

[deevergote]

It sounds like a bunch of pussies in here defending the actions of the late-mentioned pussies. Thicken you skin, font give a fuck, and keep living life how always wanted to.

Ya I was bullied. Ya i bullied. Ya I seriously thought of suicide when I was in middle school, but I didnt because I always knew that I was a kid and the best was yet to come, wtf would I abort? These people need to stop being bitches, pick up and move on instead of dwelling on whatever negtive issue is in their life.

Deev, serious question. From your quick overveiw of your life, it sounds like it sucked(at least for a period of time)(no offense). Since you went through it, doesnt that jade you a bit to the fact that these people took their life away for a stupid silly reason like bullying?

It does (and that period of time spread from about age 7 to age 30... )
I AM sympathetic to what people go through when they're bullied, especially when it involves the majority of the people in someone's life rejecting a core part of them that they can't change.

I do agree that suicide is a STUPID option, though. Just as I said in the beginning of the post before I ran through all my past woes... If it didn't kill you, it will get better. If YOU kill you, it never will. Life is hard. For everyone.

Hell, right after my wife left, I met up with an old friend of mine. Turns out he had twins with his girlfriend. While he was working overtime to feed the kids and buy the girl an engagement ring, she was screwing around with some Army dude. Well, Army dude got transferred to Colorado, and the slut packed up herself and the twins, and moved out there with him. She took my friend's children halfway across the country to be with the man she was cheating with. Then, he got transferred back here very quickly for an undisclosed reason... they ended up with no place to stay, and moved back into the apartment that she shared with my friend. My friend slept on the couch, while the mother of his children shared his bed with another man. They (the slut and the Army dude) then moved to Virginia, and got married. She had the twins calling HIM "daddy", and my friend was "daddy Jason". Daddy Jason would go down every other week, from NJ to VA, camp out in the woods so he'd have money to spare for his little girls... rain or shine, summer or winter. He still does it, 8 years later.
I heard that story, and my failed marriage paled in comparison. Neither of us killed ourselves.
And now, Jay is engaged to an awesome woman. His daughters, now old enough to understand, call him Daddy. Even that shitty situation turned around for him.




So, do I think people that commit suicide are idiots? Yes. I'll mourn their loss, but I don't sympathize or "understand why". I blame the parents and close friends of these people for not seeing the signs. I sympathize for anyone in a bad situation. For anyone that might be feeling so low as to consider suicide (depression is a scary thing...) But for those that go through with it... yeah, I'll stay concerned with those that are still alive and strong enough to fight.

Survival of the fittest applies to mental and emotional states as well.

[Ralphie]

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See i agree with you 100%

but i think that you also have to be sympathetic.

If your tough skinned all the time and always pressing to suck it up and move on then you end up with the same problems the military has.

In the military your supposed to suck it up and move on and i again agree with the logic because in war there is no coddling or sympathy however it tends to take a toll on soldiers when they feel that they are alone and no one understands what they are going through.

War is an extreme example but you see what im getting at.

[deevergote]

Yeah. "suck it up and deal with it" doesn't work. If that was the case, my career choice would not exist.

What people need is a proper, EDUCATED support system for the times that they are unable to cope. I agree that people should learn to get over things, and accept who they are... but many of those that we are discussing are adolescents. Homonally, chemically, emotionally... they are not exactly stable. Rash decisions based on pure emotion happen more often with young adults and adolescents than any other group (other than the mentally ill).

[Ralphie]

Yeah. "suck it up and deal with it" doesn't work. If that was the case, my career choice would not exist.

What people need is a proper, EDUCATED support system for the times that they are unable to cope. I agree that people should learn to get over things, and accept who they are... but many of those that we are discussing are adolescents. Homonally, chemically, emotionally... they are not exactly stable. Rash decisions based on pure emotion happen more often with young adults and adolescents than any other group (other than the mentally ill).

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We have a winner ladies and gentlemen.

All along i was saying why is everyone missing the point that these are children we are talking about, not adults.

(Deev i assumed you picked up on it along with a handful of others but the majority seemed to dismiss the topic not realizing that children cannot make the same decision you make as you read this thread at 30 years old)

[owequitit]

See i agree with you 100%

but i think that you also have to be sympathetic.

If your tough skinned all the time and always pressing to suck it up and move on then you end up with the same problems the military has.

In the military your supposed to suck it up and move on and i again agree with the logic because in war there is no coddling or sympathy however it tends to take a toll on soldiers when they feel that they are alone and no one understands what they are going through.

War is an extreme example but you see what im getting at.

There is a difference between guidance and coddling...

[Ralphie]

There is a difference between guidance and coddling...

And a difference between comfort and emptiness.

One of the guys that went to basic training with me gave all he could and refused to go to sick call out of fear of being recycled or picked on.

He is dead.

In the end he was a empty broken kid who could not even pick himself up....18 right out of high school.

He died of pneumonia btw.

Im all for dealing with shit like a man and being able to pick your battles and not let the world bring you down but that does not mean that we should feel less bad for some and none for others.

It is simply just not right.

[owequitit]

And a difference between comfort and emptiness.

One of the guys that went to basic training with me gave all he could and refused to go to sick call out of fear of being recycled or picked on.

He is dead.

In the end he was a empty broken kid who could not even pick himself up....18 right out of high school.

He died of pneumonia btw.

Im all for dealing with shit like a man and being able to pick your battles and not let the world bring you down but that does not mean that we should feel less bad for some and none for others.

It is simply just not right.

The problem is that you are misinterpreting my statement as "man the fuck up and deal with anything." That is not the case.

But let's be perfectly honest, and put the perpetual politically correct BS aside for a minute. There is a difference between being a bleeding heart pussy, and a rational human being.

Also, let's not confuse being called a homo with watching, or having a part in people getting killed and mutilated. Totally different plane of reality.

I am not saying everyone has to be a man and can't talk about shit. I talk about shit bothering me all the time. Part of that is choosing good friends, as it only takes 1. But there is a far cry between being human and needing to talk about shit, versus killing yourself because someone made fun of you. I have no sympathy, and I am never going to.

[foamypirate]

It seems, my dear owequit, that you have discovered Steven Lynch.

"Well dry your eyes, and don't be so sad, but I wouldn't use those tissues, they've already been haaaaddd, talk to me Daaaad."