Please....

[deevergote]

There was one rather large deal made about a girl that was bullied on Myspace by schoolmates, as well as the mother of one of the neighborhood girls (I think that's why it was such a scandal.)

Bullying in general is a problem, and as Jon said, technology only makes it easier. Information travels faster, identities are easily stolen or faked, and personal information is much more accessible.

It was hard enough dealing with cruel kids for 8 hours a day or so... but then I got to come home and ride my bike, play nintendo, chill with friends, etc... Now, kids come home from school, sign onto Facebook, and boom... they're right back in it.

[Ralphie]

The reason why bullying-homosexuality is such a big deal is because there is still a large majority of people who refuse to acknolowedge the rights of people who are homosexual.

I don't care whethere you agree or not because frankly no ones opinion matters(mine included) but these people are humans just like all of us and they are not going anywhere so why on earth should they not have rights just like everyone else.

So really it is not a big deal just because they are homosexual but it is a big deal because they are homosexual. (i know that doesn't make sense haha)

So if people look the other way on bashing homosexuals then it is ok for people to look the other way when 3 guys tie a dude to a truck and drag him down the road until his body is dismembered....anyone remember that?

Where does it end?

Im not really even asking anyone to see things the way i do, i understand everyone is different but at the end of the day were all one and it is disgraceful that some people still look at them as different or second rate.

Shit not long ago women were looked at the same way.....and the list goes on.....so eventually i know things will come full circle but it just irritates me sorry it is what it is.

No one needs special treatment, kids get bullied everyday and then you have Columbine.

It would be nice to erase bullying completely but we all know it won't happen but kids bullying homosexual students to me is akin to picking on kids with a handicap or in a wheelchair....that is seen as a no go...not cool right? Why? Because someone who is handicapped is a person with rights underneath their ailment.....and im in no way saying that people who are homosexual suffer from an ailment....not at all....just another way to explain my point.....treat people the way you would want to be treated...end of story.

[Ralphie]

and on another note-

parenting has a lot to do with it.

I think parenting has gone down the shitter so that explains a lot of kids today but that is a seperate argument.

[Ralphie]

i dont get why bullying+gáy is a big deal, when bullying seems to go unnoticed otherwise, yet is still a rampant problem with kids of all ages (suicides included), regardless of who or what they like.

and i love t3h sig.

[deevergote]

I agree with the parenting.

A parent should be involved with their child's life enough to know what's going on... especially if it gets to the point of suicide. No child should ever be left to feel so hopeless that they can't go to a parent, and no parent should ever be so removed from their child that they don't realize how bad things are. They may not know the extent, or the details... but a suicidal teen is not your normal, happy, cheerful person. There are signs LONG before that decision is reached. Unless, of course, there is a significant chemical imbalance, or other mental issues (which the parent should be aware of as well...)

Parents should also teach their children proper coping techniques.


The thing is, with homosexuality... many more old-fashioned parents especially just don't want to accept it. They don't want to admit that their child is ***.
Most of the *** guys that I've known since they were children displayed obvious homosexual traits even at a young age (which is something that I'm truly interested in learning more about... as that is something that is usually attributed to society, and not nature.) I was quite sure my cousin Andrew was ***, even when he was a little kid. I was right. I only saw him a couple times a year, and I had had little exposure to *** people. If I could tell, as a young kid myself, with little exposure... you KNOW his parents knew! I'm sure not all express such obvious traits... but a parent knows. A parent SHOULD know their child well enough. Those that know and don't want to accept it may distance themselves, alienate their child, or try to convince them that it's wrong. Essentially, the bullying may start with the parents long before other kids get involved.

[wed3k]

if we all killed ourselves, would there still be a cb7tuner?

[turbomaxx]

Understood on the thread lock thing deev. Must not have been around when that happened, you know I float in and out.

So can I ask, what makes you all believe that it's a choice? Not to start an argument, I'm just curious. I believe otherwise, but I want to try to understand everyones opinion.

[Tnwagn]

So can I ask, what makes you all believe that it's a choice? Not to start an argument, I'm just curious. I believe otherwise, but I want to try to understand everyones opinion.

I think the question of whether homosexuality is a choice isn't something that the average person could figure out.

It's a genetics question, something that takes years of Ph.D. level lab research to understand and answer.

[deevergote]

If I chose to be heterosexual at some point in my life, then I'd believe that homosexuality was a choice. But I never once made the conscious decision to be attracted to women instead of men. I just always have been attracted to women. It's not something I was taught. It's not something I decided I wanted. It just always was. Sexual attraction to a man has never been an option.

[Ralphie]

If I chose to be heterosexual at some point in my life, then I'd believe that homosexuality was a choice. But I never once made the conscious decision to be attracted to women instead of men. I just always have been attracted to women. It's not something I was taught. It's not something I decided I wanted. It just always was. Sexual attraction to a man has never been an option.

x2.

Think about it. I mean really sit and think about it before you post a quick response.

It doesn't take years of PhD lab studies to figure it out.

Ive never heard of anyone ever saying that they woke up one morning and said something changed in them or they had an epiphany(sp)

Everyone ive ever known or heard speak on the subject who was *** all say that they knew they were different from the start.....theyre earliest memories were of different feelings then their peers.

Also if it was a choice then how come hundreds of thousands of people are choosing it over heterosexuality when they know what their up against?

To be different? I don't think so.

[deevergote]

They only time it seems like a "decision" is when a homosexual person is in such denial based on social demands that they hide the fact even from themself.

Furthermore, the physical act of having sex with someone of the same gender isn't necessarily being homosexual. The act may be, but it doesn't mean the person is. I could go out right now and have sex with a man... and I still wouldn't be ***.
Men in prison, pedophiles that prey on the same gender, porn stars that only do it for the money... same sex intercourse, and they're not necessarily ***.
The same goes for *** guys that have sex with women. Guys that get married, have children, and then "decide" they're ***. They always were... they just denied it.
Shit, the last girl I dated was engaged to a homosexual man. She didn't realize it, until she found a drawer full of Viagra, and numerous Craigslist ads created by him, looking for male sex partners...

Expecting a homosexual person to change is unreasonable, and unfair to them AND whatever opposite-sex partner(s) that they choose. If children get involved, that's even worse! One of my good friends has a homosexual father. His mother has been crippled (stroke victim) since he was about 6 years old, and his father has had a steady boyfriend for most of his life. He's the most insecure person I know when it comes to homosexuality. He doesn't hold it against his father, but he feels like it's something that people are going to feel negatively about... when in public, he's ALWAYS the first to bring it up, make jokes about it, and try to play it off as something that doesn't matter.
He's a close friend, so I'm glad that his mother and father DID have him... but he was born out of a social expectation, not out of the love and attraction that should be felt from both sides of a relationship. I think watching dad go from being with mom to being with another man can be traumatizing to a child that doesn't understand.

I'm not saying homosexual couples shouldn't have kids, though... just, have kids WHILE you're with a member of the same sex. Raise the child in that environment, and it will be normal. Not an abnormal change once they're old enough to understand that something is very different, and very odd by the social standards they have been exposed to.
My cousin and her partner have twins together... and they are quite possibly some of the best parents a kid could hope for. The kids are growing up fine. No issues.

[Tnwagn]

Perhaps all the homosexual people you have talked to about this have always felt the way they do but I'm sure there are plenty out there that have struggled with whether they were homosexual or not. It's hard to base an entire idea such a small sample of the overall group.

Also, what about the married father that has 2 kids who, throughout college slept with other men and enjoyed it?

What about bisexuals?

Physical attraction is such a huge concept that it's difficult to put absolutes on it one way or the other. True, I never made a choice about whether I liked girls or not, but that doesn't mean that everyone else in the world goes through the same process as me.

Why choose homosexuality if it is a difficult road? Perhaps it's because one person loves another. I've know at least a few men that have been all but shunned from their friend group because of the woman they dated and married. Why did they choose that girl when any other would have worked fine and been more acceptable by the friend group?

Love is something that is hard to put in rational terms.

[LinX]

Social darwinism. Life's tough, which means you gotta be tougher regardless of the hand you're dealt.

[owequitit]

Because they didn't just choose to be attracted to the same sex. Nobody chooses that. They are attracted to the same sex just as naturally as you are to the opposite sex. You didn't choose to like women, did you?

However, you are not ostricized for it. Homosexual people are rarely accepted by society. When they are, it's very often in a "even though they're ***" capacity. Society teaches to recognize the difference. To some extent, that's fine... but it still focuses on the "difference". They are a minority... minorities are ALWAYS persecuted.

Children and adolescents are the worst, because that is a difficult time for ANYONE, let alone someone that has been told all their lives that their preference is "different". Not only are people of that age fragile mental state already, but other people that age are at their cruelest stage ever.

There are two major problems in society regarding homosexuality...
First, and the biggest, is the fact that it is recognized as "different". Homosexuality is nothing new, and not even limited to human beings. It's a fact of nature. And honestly, if you're not homosexual, and you're not raped by a homosexual... then it has NOTHING to do with you. Much of society condemns it... but I think the parts of society that glorify it are just as at fault. If we continue to make it a big deal that there's a difference, then people are never going to just ignore it and see "a person" instead of "a homosexual person".

Second, the people that believe all homosexuals CHOSE to be that way. It is not a choice. I don't care what anyone says... what research was done, what experts claim, "nature vs nurture" bullshit... IT IS NOT A CHOICE.
If it was, all those heterosexual people in the world would have had to choose that preference as well! I didn't. I've been interested in women since I was about 5 years old (I remember checking out the preschool classroom for cute girls... )

Bullshit.

Getting bullied is getting bullied.

It doesn't matter if you are fat, skinny, dumb, poor, brown, purple, goth, homosexual, slow, deformed, etc.

When a group of your peers cuts you down, the mental effect is the same. You are chastised (usually in public) and made to feel inferior. Your negative attributes are brought to light, and you are degraded, belittled, embarrased and humbled.

The reason we are having so many problems with the issue today, is because rather than challenging people to suck it up, and move on, we protect coddle, or insulate them from it. It ain't going away. In disagreement with Visualpoet, we ARE still animals, and we still behave like animals. People are not tolerant of what they don't like, whether they pretend to or not.

A prime example that sticks out in my mind is Gloryaccordy's girl's concern about moving to Austin, Texas. She was afraid of what Republicans may do to her. Really? Is that open minded and tolerant? Or how about when people attack your PERSONAL religious beliefs because they ASSUME that their experience is the only one that matters. How about when you judge the homeless guy, the fat chick, or the uneducated person you drive past, or have to interact with? Is the person judging being open minded then?

Ultimately, people are judgemental, and they don't like what doesn't fit the norm of society. So no matter what you do, people are going to be judged. Move the fuck on.

I have been judged for being, small (not as small anymore, but prior to growing), I have been judged for being white, I have been judged for being from Arizona (didn't you know that only ignorant hicks and rednecks come from AZ, since it is a "red" state)? I mean an educated, rational person couldn't POSSIBLY be red, so they must be a gun toting, tobacco spitting, toothless wonder right? I have been judged for being *** (even though I am not), I have been called *** in class (even though I am not), I have been made fun of for being smart my ENTIRE life, and I have had people tell me that I don't like physical labor because I am skinny. Would life have been better off if I had gone apeshit and shot people up? Probably not. Would it have been better if I had killed myself? Nope. I wouldn't give them the satisfaction, nor would I let them take the most precious thing from me.

Suicide is a PERSONAL choice. Nobody made them do it, nobody held a gun to their head and made them kill themselves. I don't feel sorry for them, I am not going to feel sorry for them, and I SHOULDN'T feel sorry for them. They were weak, they were sad. Yeah, it is unfortnate that they were made fun of, but that is just too fucking bad. Everyone else is made fun of at one point or another, so they should just get the fuck over it like everyone else. If not, then they can kill themselves, but forgive me for not caring. Most of these kids today wouldn't know real oppression if it bit them in the ass. If they are crying themselves to sleep at night because of someone's words, or because they were made fun of, then they need to toughen up.

What most people don't realize (again in disagreement with Visualpoet) is that the alpha's don't have to bully. Everyone knows they are in charge. The one who bully are the ones who are threatened by you. If they are making fun of you for being ***, it is because they are unsure themselves. Especially at the high school/college age where kids are naturally curious on a sexual level. Most are relatively inexperienced, most are curious, and many are ambiguous. So as a defense mechanism to hide their own insecurities, they project onto those around them that they feel they can use to highlight their own insecurities so as to draw attention away from what they feel are obvious shortcomings on their part.

Even friends recently have done that to me. Something that friends shouldn't do, but oh well, nothing I can do about that. I can only reduce their level of friendship and find relationships that are more beneficial. Or I could be irrational, and go and murder a group of people because I am unhappy with myself. One is acceptable, one is not.

I deal with these kids that want to be coddled all the time. It is my job, and it is my duty to equip them for reality, because frankly, parents and "the system" are failing miserably. Guess what? The real world doesn't give a shit how they want to feel. If they aren't taught that THEY have to adapt to the environment, because the environment is NOT going to adapt to them, then they are destined to fail. The more we protect them from reality, and prevent them from developing the tools to cope with it, the more they are going to fail. Nature and animalistic instinct don't give a shit about you, or anybody else. In the grand scheme, everyone here is nothing at all, and will be around for less than a drop in the hat in the grand scheme of life.

Adapt or die.

Oh, and so you don't all think I am an insensitive prick (like most of you do anyway), a good friend of mine shot himself about a month ago, because he didn't think he could cope. While I lament his loss, I am not able to feel sorry for him because there were other ways for him to deal with it, and it devastated his family.

Why don't we worry about the people who didn't have a chance to CHOOSE whether or not they wanted to live?

[Gemini]

Bullshit.

Getting bullied is getting bullied.

It doesn't matter if you are fat, skinny, dumb, poor, brown, purple, goth, homosexual, slow, deformed, etc.

When a group of your peers cuts you down, the mental effect is the same. You are chastised (usually in public) and made to feel inferior. Your negative attributes are brought to light, and you are degraded, belittled, embarrased and humbled.

The reason we are having so many problems with the issue today, is because rather than challenging people to suck it up, and move on, we protect coddle, or insulate them from it. It ain't going away. In disagreement with Visualpoet, we ARE still animals, and we still behave like animals. People are not tolerant of what they don't like, whether they pretend to or not.

A prime example that sticks out in my mind is Gloryaccordy's girl's concern about moving to Austin, Texas. She was afraid of what Republicans may do to her. Really? Is that open minded and tolerant? Or how about when people attack your PERSONAL religious beliefs because they ASSUME that their experience is the only one that matters. How about when you judge the homeless guy, the fat chick, or the uneducated person you drive past, or have to interact with? Is the person judging being open minded then?

Ultimately, people are judgemental, and they don't like what doesn't fit the norm of society. So no matter what you do, people are going to be judged. Move the fuck on.

I have been judged for being, small (not as small anymore, but prior to growing), I have been judged for being white, I have been judged for being from Arizona (didn't you know that only ignorant hicks and rednecks come from AZ, since it is a "red" state)? I mean an educated, rational person couldn't POSSIBLY be red, so they must be a gun toting, tobacco spitting, toothless wonder right? I have been judged for being *** (even though I am not), I have been called *** in class (even though I am not), I have been made fun of for being smart my ENTIRE life, and I have had people tell me that I don't like physical labor because I am skinny. Would life have been better off if I had gone apeshit and shot people up? Probably not. Would it have been better if I had killed myself? Nope. I wouldn't give them the satisfaction, nor would I let them take the most precious thing from me.

Suicide is a PERSONAL choice. Nobody made them do it, nobody held a gun to their head and made them kill themselves. I don't feel sorry for them, I am not going to feel sorry for them, and I SHOULDN'T feel sorry for them. They were weak, they were sad. Yeah, it is unfortnate that they were made fun of, but that is just too fucking bad. Everyone else is made fun of at one point or another, so they should just get the fuck over it like everyone else. If not, then they can kill themselves, but forgive me for not caring. Most of these kids today wouldn't know real oppression if it bit them in the ass. If they are crying themselves to sleep at night because of someone's words, or because they were made fun of, then they need to toughen up.

What most people don't realize (again in disagreement with Visualpoet) is that the alpha's don't have to bully. Everyone knows they are in charge. The one who bully are the ones who are threatened by you. If they are making fun of you for being ***, it is because they are unsure themselves. Especially at the high school/college age where kids are naturally curious on a sexual level. Most are relatively inexperienced, most are curious, and many are ambiguous. So as a defense mechanism to hide their own insecurities, they project onto those around them that they feel they can use to highlight their own insecurities so as to draw attention away from what they feel are obvious shortcomings on their part.

Even friends recently have done that to me. Something that friends shouldn't do, but oh well, nothing I can do about that. I can only reduce their level of friendship and find relationships that are more beneficial. Or I could be irrational, and go and murder a group of people because I am unhappy with myself. One is acceptable, one is not.

I deal with these kids that want to be coddled all the time. It is my job, and it is my duty to equip them for reality, because frankly, parents and "the system" are failing miserably. Guess what? The real world doesn't give a shit how they want to feel. If they aren't taught that THEY have to adapt to the environment, because the environment is NOT going to adapt to them, then they are destined to fail. The more we protect them from reality, and prevent them from developing the tools to cope with it, the more they are going to fail. Nature and animalistic instinct don't give a shit about you, or anybody else. In the grand scheme, everyone here is nothing at all, and will be around for less than a drop in the hat in the grand scheme of life.

Adapt or die.

Oh, and so you don't all think I am an insensitive prick (like most of you do anyway), a good friend of mine shot himself about a month ago, because he didn't think he could cope. While I lament his loss, I am not able to feel sorry for him because there were other ways for him to deal with it, and it devastated his family.

Why don't we worry about the people who didn't have a chance to CHOOSE whether or not they wanted to live?

I love this dude right here