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    Local story. The dealer in question is actually my employer.

    http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/...mom-to-action/

    Being a parent is tough. Being a parent of a daughter with a diminished mental capacity who has access to a multimillion-dollar trust account can be even tougher.

    That dynamic is fueling a face-off between mother and daughter Sue and Jamie Ragan and local car dealership Bob McCosh Chevrolet.

    Sue Ragan says when her daughter took a taxicab to the dealership last week and purchased a new $49,000 Chevy Silverado, the dealer should have known better than to make the sale. The dealer, she says, should have called a parent before accepting the cash purchase from the woman who, as a result of a traumatic brain injury, has diminished comprehension and math skills.

    McCosh says Jamie Ragan, 33, is in charge of her own trust and made extensive arrangements to buy the truck, including securing the approval of a trust officer and board. He says Jamie has purchased vehicles from his dealership in the past without any problems. “It’s not like she came here at 2 o’clock on a Thursday and said, ‘I want that silver truck sitting outside at your door’ and brought it back Friday and said, ‘I changed my mind,’ ” McCosh said. “This is something that was over a 30-day period of time.”

    McCosh sees no reason to rescind the sale but will, if asked by Jamie, attempt to resell the vehicle on consignment. Sue Ragan is planning a lawsuit.

    The back story is this: In 1998, Jamie Ragan was a student at the University of Missouri doing a summer internship at a horse farm in Texas. Driving home one day, she was hit head-on by a worker for the U.S. Census Bureau. Her car was flattened, and the other driver was killed.

    Jamie suffered major brain trauma and spent six months in the hospital. She had to relearn to walk and talk and continues to have paralysis on her right side.

    “It was like a computer chip that had been wiped clean,” Sue Ragan said. “And we had to reprogram everything.”

    The once-independent woman was declared permanently disabled and moved back home with her mom. In 2002, she reached a multimillion-dollar settlement with the government and receives a sizable monthly stipend from a trust account supervised by a trust officer and a board at a Texas bank. For large purchases, she needs approval from the board.

    But the road to recovery has been rocky for Jamie. In recent years, she has felt isolated and friendless. She began drinking by herself at local watering holes, and in 2008, after a night of drinking, she was involved in a single-vehicle accident on Highway 124 that totaled her car. Under the orders of her mother, she didn’t drive again for a year. Then, several months ago, she totaled another car after running a stop sign. Alcohol was not involved in the crash.

    Sue Ragan told her daughter to forget about driving until at least the spring. She wanted Jamie re-evaluated by neuroscience specialists to make sure she was mentally capable of driving. In the meantime, Jamie’s driver’s license and insurance were voided, and she rode the paratransit bus. Mostly, she just sat at home.


    But Jamie wanted to drive again. Without telling her mother, she contacted McCosh and her trust officer in January to arrange the purchase of the Silverado. The top-of-the-line pickup truck she ordered had to be hauled in by trailer from another dealership at a significant cost to McCosh.

    She picked it up last Thursday and drove it home despite having no insurance and no valid license. When Sue Ragan discovered the purchase, she was furious.

    “Her mother came in and was very rude and very accusational and very inappropriate,” McCosh recalled. “She was accusing us of being dishonest and mistreating her daughter in her mental capacity. But Jamie is an adult, and Jamie has full right over her trust.”

    Sue Ragan insists the dealer is acting more naive than he really is. “Wouldn’t you think as a car dealer it would be kind of odd if someone showed up at your doorstep in a taxi with handicapped issues and nobody with them and asked you to sell them a” $49,000 “car?” Ragan said. “Wouldn’t you at least make a phone call before you made that deal?”

    Ragan pointed to a similar time when a Mary Kay cosmetics dealer sold Jamie 30 sticks of the same shade of lipstick for more than $300. “People take advantage of her,” Sue said.

    But it also is possible that Sue is a bit too hard on her daughter. During my interview with the two women, Sue Ragan repeatedly described her daughter as having a child-like mind and acting like “a defiant teenager.”

    Jamie, who speaks cautiously and after long pauses, agreed that she had acted badly in this case. Sue, however, persisted, hectoring her daughter to “tell T.J. the real reason you got this vehicle.”

    “Just let me talk,” said a visibly embarrassed Jamie. “You get to talk all the time.”

    After pausing for about 20 seconds, Jamie said she bought the truck, in part, to impress her boyfriend, who works as a trucker.

    “That is typically something a 16- or 17-year-old would do,” Sue Ragan said. “Not a 33-year-old.”

    By the end of our conversation, a browbeaten Jamie told me she realizes she needs someone to control her finances. She knows she sometimes makes bad, impulsive decisions with money and needs someone to act in the role of legal guardian or conservator. She is happy to give up control to someone more responsible, she said — she just doesn’t want that someone to be her mom.
    CLIFFS: 33-year old woman suffers severe brain damage after wreck, leaving her mentally "diminished" and with a multi-million dollar sum. Totals 2 more vehicles. Taxi's to dealer to buy a $50k truck with no insurance or license. Dealer makes the deal and said woman's mother wants to sue the dealer.


    Ive worked here about 18 months and although i do know the owner and most of the sales people, how we/they do business, i dont know. Im back in the Service Dept.

    Trying to be as unbiased as possible, i dont think we, the dealer, are at fault. Not only is this woman 33-years old, but if she's incapable of making such decisions, her mother should either have a better eye on her or the woman should be institutionalized. It's not our, or anyone's job to do a mental test on someone when they come into a place of business. Granted she came in a taxi, but i assure you, non of the sales people knew that. And people come to dealerships in taxis all the time. They dont have a car, how else are they gonna get around?

    If anyone is to blame, i believe it is the trust officer. A woman, that you know is of questionable mental capability, comes to you and asks for $50k to buy a new vehicle, and you just hand it over?? Im willing to bet he knew of her previous accidents as well.


    Discuss.


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    Originally posted by Jarrett
    Is there a goal you're trying to accomplish besides looking dope as hell?

    #2
    Give me the money and ill give you my product. Whats wrong with that?
    wat?

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      #3
      Originally posted by C91BLX7 View Post
      Give me the money and ill give you my product. Whats wrong with that?
      True.

      Mike, I'll read this more carefully, and have a better response when I have more time.

      life is good.

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        #4
        Exactly. The woman's mother believes that just becasue she is mentally incapable, that anyone and everyone will try to take advantage of her.

        If you ask me, the mother is just trying to push the blame on someone else instead of taking responsibilty for the girl, like she's supposed to.


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        Originally posted by Jarrett
        Is there a goal you're trying to accomplish besides looking dope as hell?

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          #5
          Originally posted by C91BLX7 View Post
          Give me the money and ill give you my product. Whats wrong with that?
          Isn't this kind of like selling alcohol to a drunk? I say kind of, as there are laws for that but no laws for this incident. I agree with C91BLX7 though. In this situation the car dealership has no reason, wright, or law to enforce them to not make the sale. I also feel sorry for the girl.

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            #6
            I too feel sorry for her. She reminds me alot of my ex. My ex had an LD in school but was fully capable of understanding laws and making her own decisions. But she had this bad habit of spending money when she got it and trying to impress people.

            there's no LAW that says you cannot sell alcohol to a drunk. You also do not need a license, in Missouri, to purchase a vehicle. You dont need insurance either, so long as the deal does not require any kind of financing.


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            Originally posted by Jarrett
            Is there a goal you're trying to accomplish besides looking dope as hell?

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              #7
              I say it's on the Trust Officer for sure. Who in their right mind would agree to give someone with a diminished mental capacity and a history of totaling cars $50k to buy a truck when they have no insurance or license?

              Sounds like the Trust Officer is the one with the diminished mental capacity.

              The dealership should question any cash purchase of any vehicle, but beyond that it's not their job to pursue the moral implications of the sale.


              Originally posted by Maple50175
              Oh here we go again. Maples other half.

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                #8
                I think the most important part of the whole interview was this---

                Jamie, who speaks cautiously and after long pauses, agreed that she had acted badly in this case. Sue, however, persisted, hectoring her daughter to “tell T.J. the real reason you got this vehicle.”

                “Just let me talk,” said a visibly embarrassed Jamie. “You get to talk all the time.”

                After pausing for about 20 seconds, Jamie said she bought the truck, in part, to impress her boyfriend, who works as a trucker.

                “That is typically something a 16- or 17-year-old would do,” Sue Ragan said. “Not a 33-year-old.”
                There are obviously other issues at hand here. The mother won't even let the woman speak for herself. And return the woman is resenting her mother greatly.

                It's a sad situation, it really is and it's one of those cases where no one is going to win. She's capable of making decisions, just not big, important ones, such as this. Putting her in a mental ward isnt the right thing to do either. The mother needs to step up and take responsibility. If not, then she needs to relinquish rights to someone who will. I just dont think that someone should be the state or a psych ward.


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                Originally posted by Jarrett
                Is there a goal you're trying to accomplish besides looking dope as hell?

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                  #9
                  I agree. She may have brain damage, but she has been deemed capable of rational thought. If the dealership had refused to sell her a truck based on her disability, then they would be at fault for discrimination.

                  I totally agree that the person that allowed her to access $50,000 of her trust to buy this truck is the one at fault.


                  Buying the truck was her decision. Perhaps a bad one, but her decision all the same. To impress her boyfriend? Fine. Middle aged single guys buy expensive cars to impress women all the time. Nothing new there.


                  Mom needs to back the fuck off and let her adult daughter be an adult. She has millions... she can afford a few financial mistakes. The daughter is damn smart in saying she could use someone to help keep track of her money... and that the someone should not be her mom.

                  Let her take it to court. Honestly, I think she'll lose.






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                    #10
                    Originally posted by greencb7inkc View Post
                    Exactly. The woman's mother believes that just becasue she is mentally incapable, that anyone and everyone will try to take advantage of her.

                    If you ask me, the mother is just trying to push the blame on someone else instead of taking responsibilty for the girl, like she's supposed to.
                    i have to agree

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Tnwagn View Post
                      I say it's on the Trust Officer for sure. Who in their right mind would agree to give someone with a diminished mental capacity and a history of totaling cars $50k to buy a truck when they have no insurance or license?

                      Sounds like the Trust Officer is the one with the diminished mental capacity.

                      The dealership should question any cash purchase of any vehicle, but beyond that it's not their job to pursue the moral implications of the sale.
                      The trust officer isn't really a babysitter, though. It's her money, and she has full control over it. It's not the trust officer's place to say what is and what isn't a smart purchase. Plus, it's a pickup truck, not a $250,000 Ferrari... It's not exactly an unreasonable purchase (though I didn't realize you could pay $50,000 for a Silverado, geez!)

                      Originally posted by greencb7inkc View Post
                      I think the most important part of the whole interview was this---



                      There are obviously other issues at hand here. The mother won't even let the woman speak for herself. And return the woman is resenting her mother greatly.

                      It's a sad situation, it really is and it's one of those cases where no one is going to win. She's capable of making decisions, just not big, important ones, such as this. Putting her in a mental ward isnt the right thing to do either. The mother needs to step up and take responsibility. If not, then she needs to relinquish rights to someone who will. I just dont think that someone should be the state or a psych ward.

                      She's definitely not deserving of any sort of hospitalization. She DOES need someone to help her manage her finances, but her mom is a control freak. Apparently sue-happy as well, and seriously over-protective. Mom is treating her like she's retarded. That's damaging her even more. If she didn't have to hide this purchase form her mom, perhaps this wouldn't have happened. It's because she did it sneakily (though not really sneakily... it was an adult spending her own money...) that it happened the way it did. If mom wasn't a control freak, perhaps a rational, adult conversation about the wisdom of the purchase might have prevented it from occurring.


                      The dealership is NOT in a position to decline a sale. She arrived at the dealership of her own accord, presented her own legally obtained money, that she has full legal control over. It would have been illegal for the dealership NOT to have sold her that truck based on any perceived disability. The only time they could reasonably decline a sale is if she were clearly intoxicated. They are not qualified or required to assess her mental capacity in any way otherwise.






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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Tnwagn View Post
                        I say it's on the Trust Officer for sure. Who in their right mind would agree to give someone with a diminished mental capacity and a history of totaling cars $50k to buy a truck when they have no insurance or license?

                        Sounds like the Trust Officer is the one with the diminished mental capacity.

                        The dealership should question any cash purchase of any vehicle, but beyond that it's not their job to pursue the moral implications of the sale.

                        Originally posted by deevergote View Post
                        I agree. She may have brain damage, but she has been deemed capable of rational thought.
                        I feel both the T.O. and the mother are the ones that should be held responsible. Her capacity can't be too diminished, she is licensed to drive. If they feel that she doesn't have the mental capacity to spend her money the way she should, then they should go to court and attempt to have her trust fund re-established with new guidelines and boundaries.

                        Originally posted by deevergote View Post
                        If the dealership had refused to sell her a truck based on her disability, then they would be at fault for discrimination.
                        I have to disagree here. There's no law that says they have to sell anyone a vehicle. Retail establishments reserve the right to refuse service to anyone at any time. Even if they did not, it would be very difficult to prove that they refused to sell her the vehicle because of diminished mental capacity. A good lawyer could argue that because she came in with money, a state issued license, and a clear understanding that she was purchasing the truck, her mental capacity is fine, it's her emotional capacity that seems to be diminished. She's a teenage girl in a 33 year old body. There aren't any laws to protect the emotionally diminished.

                        Originally posted by deevergote View Post
                        I totally agree that the person that allowed her to access $50,000 of her trust to buy this truck is the one at fault.


                        Buying the truck was her decision. Perhaps a bad one, but her decision all the same. To impress her boyfriend? Fine. Middle aged single guys buy expensive cars to impress women all the time. Nothing new there.


                        Mom needs to back the fuck off and let her adult daughter be an adult. She has millions... she can afford a few financial mistakes. The daughter is damn smart in saying she could use someone to help keep track of her money... and that the someone should not be her mom.

                        Let her take it to court. Honestly, I think she'll lose.
                        Again, I agree with you here. Mom needs to fuck off and the courts need to appoint someone to assist and advise the daughter on her financial practices.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by greencb7inkc View Post
                          there's no LAW that says you cannot sell alcohol to a drunk. You also do not need a license, in Missouri, to purchase a vehicle. You dont need insurance either, so long as the deal does not require any kind of financing.
                          Please google Dramshop Liability.


                          If i could I would represent the Dealership with no problems. Yeah you need to have someone who appears mentally capable and that's exactly what this woman seems to be. She was able to ask the trust person and talk to the dealership on multiple occasions.

                          And really "mom"... how else would you expect a woman who doens't have a car to get to a dealership. I think that show's she's more independent.

                          They say she has the mentality of a 16-17 yr old.... I bought my first car when I was 18 (much like a 16-17 yr old) Should they have called my mother and asked her?

                          And i don't blame the Trust people either. We're not talking a couple hundred thousand... we're talking MULTI-Millions. What's 50K from that? I'm sure the daughter has asked for similar or more amounts on different occassions. I bet the mother has even asked the daughter to get money from the account to pay things off like the house.

                          The mother's a bitch and the Daughter deserves a better guardian.

                          IMO the dealer isn't liable for anything and he's being nice by just selling the truck on contingency.
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Rusty View Post
                            Please google Dramshop Liability.


                            If i could I would represent the Dealership with no problems. Yeah you need to have someone who appears mentally capable and that's exactly what this woman seems to be. She was able to ask the trust person and talk to the dealership on multiple occasions.

                            And really "mom"... how else would you expect a woman who doens't have a car to get to a dealership. I think that show's she's more independent.

                            They say she has the mentality of a 16-17 yr old.... I bought my first car when I was 18 (much like a 16-17 yr old) Should they have called my mother and asked her?

                            And i don't blame the Trust people either. We're not talking a couple hundred thousand... we're talking MULTI-Millions. What's 50K from that? I'm sure the daughter has asked for similar or more amounts on different occassions. I bet the mother has even asked the daughter to get money from the account to pay things off like the house.

                            The mother's a bitch and the Daughter deserves a better guardian.

                            IMO the dealer isn't liable for anything and he's being nice by just selling the truck on contingency.
                            agreed 100%, i dont think trust officer is liable either, 50k is a drop in a bucket for this lady, and she must have shown she was very compitant to buying the car, and im sure she fully is capiable of lieing....she is 33. and her mother is just a money grubbing peice of trash. that comes apprent from the facts they filed a multi-million dollar lawsuit because of an accident that just so happend to be a gov. employee. if that was just a normal person she would poor and handicapped, not a fucking multi-millionare thats controled by her mother. the dealership cant be held responable either, hell they were just doing their job. she isnt the only one to pay cash out right for a truck and wont be the last. hell they probly thought the lady was just some rich wierdo coming to buy a car. also the dealership said they would take the truck back....but is that good enough for that crazy ass mother??? oh hells no they OWE HER MONEY for what they did..... GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK!!


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                              #15
                              i dont' think the mother is money hungry just b/c she filed the suit from the first accident. I think you would be amazed to realize how many times cases result in Million dollar judgements/settlements. And the government just like anyone else has insurance to deal with these things.

                              If it were a poor person that hit her instead of having a trust fund she would have a lien against all of their property or (in this case) a lien against their estate.

                              And if the mother didn't sue on behalf of the daughter their insurance company would have. If your Ins. co pays out when someone else is liable for it they go after that person in a subrogation action.
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