Plane crashes into building in Austin, Texas

[owequitit]

I did some reading and some digging, and im not changing my feelings about our government, but this guy wasnt as "bad off" as he makes it seem. Dude had a $232k house. The plan he crashed? His. Last i checked, Sinlge-Engine Piper's weren't exactly cheap. Not to mention piloting lessons then acquiring a license. Expensive shit. Dude even traveled to Norway every year.

I dont think he was a domestic terrorist and all that BS that everyone keeps saying he is, but i do believe there's another side to this story. If we'll ever know the truth, who knows. The media likes to pick the bad stuff and distract you with that instead of pointing out the important stuff.
Anyway, i was looking around, and i came across this quote. I dont know why, but i liked it.

Just because they were "his" doesn't mean they were paid for, or that they weren't about to be taken away.

[WilliamW]

Just because they were "his" doesn't mean they were paid for, or that they weren't about to be taken away.

That's a very good point. I'm very curious what will come of this incident further down the road or if it will be covered and forgotten about up like so many other things.

[Extacee]

This guy is a complete moron

If he had such an issue with the government why the hell did he stay here? Don't tell me that he didn't have the means by which to move to some other country. Honestly, I bet this guy could have lived anywhere in the world and would have ended up hating it equally to anywhere else.

Sir i dont believe you understand what he is talking about that or what he means. Read between the lines, well im unsure what he is getting at also. but i read all he had wrote, and from what i understand he is trying to say is there is no way out; out of this mess we are in etc etc. We are just slaves and dont even know it while the rich politicians and rich in general decide what gets built, what laws get passed and even what is put in our food.

Its a big monster you cant stop, its been planned out and is in the process as we speak. You, me and whom ever is reading this doesn't really understand what is going on. Because of that i believe that is why this man committed suicide, because the complete control and brainwash of the american society.

Really in all truth it is really REALLY hard to understand what is going on in this world.

Think of it this way guys. everything we have up to know was all planned out, cars, cell phones etc. Our life styles were even planned out. It sounds crazy i know but thats what i said, its complicated and even i cant believe or understand why and how.

PS: i would keep typing but im in a hurry lol.

Discuss.

[Extacee]

Al-Qaeda.

does not exist, propaganda yadda yadda

[Extacee]

This country was started on a basis of treason. Our "forefathers" didnt like the way THEY were being goverened, so they rebelled and sought out new land for which they could make their own rules.

Can one person make a difference? Maybe. It's happened. Can a small group of people make a change? If theyre strong enough, yes.

Im not saying we all need to stand up and fight, i think we should anyway, but i know some people dont like making waves, and thats fine, but can we at least admit that our government is shotty, at best..?

No, i may not stand up and fight, but i will do my best to see through it that i get what i can, where i can. If im out of work and find some side job making cash under-the-table, im not going to tell anyone about it. As far as im concerned, i was given personal checks by that person, from the kindness of their heart. Kinda like getting a birthday check from Granny. Every Friday.

Call it wrong, call it immoral, call it what you will, but i dont think any one of us can ignore the facts that this man, and many before him, have pointed out. When the perverbial "end" is near, the people who make it out alive will either be the people with money, friends in high places or the clever ones smart enough to find the cracks.

Now i know the true meaning of, "Get Rich or Die Trying".

even if some how some way people become aware, it was planned that way, it is expected of us. They are on stand-by, and thats what the national guard is for. i may just be talking jiberish but i feel like things may happen from what i have read and seen, learned and observed. Has anyone seen The book of eli?

[Night Wolf]

damn man!

[Extacee]

damn man!

lol im just explaining what some people might not know. if many people read that suicide letter idk what will happen nor if it will even exist by next week. For all i know this very incident was meant to happen to cause revolt, who knows right?

[MikeW]

Like i said, standing up and shouting that i know whats REALLY going on, gets me all wryled up and gets my adrenaline pumping, but it's no use. I'll just get washed out like the others. Keeping my head down and keeping my nose to grindstone is ultimately the best and only option. Yeah, we can see whats going on through our peripheral vision, but best keep heading forward.

[Raf99]

I have to agree with u. This was a good read. I can now understand first hand by looking through the eyes of another person getting fucked over by this government.
Agreed, we all need to take the blindfods off and see wat is being pulled over our eyes.

It was a good read. I think everyone who read these post feel his frustration to some degree. Everyone can't roll-over and die, but you have to admit you are fighting a losing battle when it comes to government ways and thinking a small group of people can change these ways. As he pointed out, many have died before him and many will die after him from the same cause. None of these deaths will make a differenece, not even his.

[turbomaxx]

What a fucking idiot.

You know who else throws a major tantrum when things don't go how they wanted? 2 year olds.

Sure, the guy had it rough, and maybe got the shaft a couple times.

Tough shit. Life's hard. Buck up, and take charge of your shit. At one point he said that after a year with no income, he didn't file taxes. Yet he says they steal from the poor and all that other shit, so why wouldn't he (as a precaution) file? If he truly felt like he says he did he should have expected them to try to fuck him over.

I agree the government is not perfect. But it's the only one we've got, and hey, I wake up every day and do anything I please. I don't worry about a terrorist shooting me, or police beating me. I'll take the government we have now over suicide any day.

[baracuda]

well they found his body. and i never get used to seeing the building everyday i drive by it, seems so surreal

http://www.kvue.com/news/Investigati...-84942792.html

[verothacamaro]

Nothing but a terrorist...


oops, his skin isn't dark enough.


Gotta love white American media:-)

[deevergote]

Terrorists usually have some message that they want to convey. A higher purpose. This guy was just deranged... taking a shot at "Big Brother"... because the people that he injured or killed with his suicidal act of "heroism" were guilty of... what?

Terrorists usually do what they do for spiritual, moral, social, political, or monetary reasons. This guy is no more a terrorist than someone who opens fire in a public place. Not that it makes it any less terrible. He may have had his deep-rooted reasons, but his actions didn't exactly do a whole lot to express that. Aside from his note, and the target of his attack... he was just some deranged whacko that wanted to end his life, and take someone "deserving" out with him.



The whacko died of blunt force trauma... the crash itself. He probably didn't feel very much.
The poor IRS employee died of burns and carbon monoxide poisoning. Hopefully the gas knocked him out befoe he felt too much pain. That's a terrible way to die!

[verothacamaro]

Terrorists usually have some message that they want to convey. A higher purpose. This guy was just deranged... taking a shot at "Big Brother"... because the people that he injured or killed with his suicidal act of "heroism" were guilty of... what?

Terrorists usually do what they do for spiritual, moral, social, political, or monetary reasons. This guy is no more a terrorist than someone who opens fire in a public place. Not that it makes it any less terrible. He may have had his deep-rooted reasons, but his actions didn't exactly do a whole lot to express that. Aside from his note, and the target of his attack... he was just some deranged whacko that wanted to end his life, and take someone "deserving" out with him.



The whacko died of blunt force trauma... the crash itself. He probably didn't feel very much.
The poor IRS employee died of burns and carbon monoxide poisoning. Hopefully the gas knocked him out befoe he felt too much pain. That's a terrible way to die!

Usually.

[WilliamW]

Terrorists usually have some message that they want to convey. A higher purpose. This guy was just deranged... taking a shot at "Big Brother"... because the people that he injured or killed with his suicidal act of "heroism" were guilty of... what?

Terrorists usually do what they do for spiritual, moral, social, political, or monetary reasons. This guy is no more a terrorist than someone who opens fire in a public place. Not that it makes it any less terrible. He may have had his deep-rooted reasons, but his actions didn't exactly do a whole lot to express that. Aside from his note, and the target of his attack... he was just some deranged whacko that wanted to end his life, and take someone "deserving" out with him.



The whacko died of blunt force trauma... the crash itself. He probably didn't feel very much.
The poor IRS employee died of burns and carbon monoxide poisoning. Hopefully the gas knocked him out befoe he felt too much pain. That's a terrible way to die!

I've gotta say, The moment I heard that a plane crashed into an IRS building i was like "SCORE!" The government gotten pretty messed up. Career politicians have made decisions and passed laws (tax laws included) to fuck over the people. Yeah, he wasn't poor, but the government takes a "shit load of money" from the people who make more. Losing more than half your income can make people upset. What would have happened if he had crashed his plane into a building where half of the house Representative were at? Killing them all (the half of them that is). People would be all like "omg terrorists" but the people he took out would be the ones lining their pockets with tax money and exempting themselves from certain laws. Still "poor politicians" then?

I think more than trying to get even with the IRS, he tried to make people think. Think outside the 10EZ form that so many people fill out every year. People always complain about the tax system but no one does anything about it. And honestly, is it realistic at all to get congress together and have them talk about tax reform and have a USEFUL solution? You'd be talking for months if not years to get to that point and our economy is already going to shit. I doubt flying a plane into the building was about revenge. More like, what had to be done to get people to start thinking about it.

I also don't think it was a "how many people can I kill?" act and more like a statement. In this article, http://www.businessinsider.com/henry...-postal-2010-2, they say he "tried to murder hundreds of innocent Americans for doing nothing more than working in an office building" HOWEVER he only got 1? Does this add up? How many people did the 9/11 get? A hell of a lot more than 1. For a terrorist, he's pretty shitty. And the article speaks of his marriage going down the tubes, Well duh. DUH DUH DUH! How would you act when you know your going down. I'd get my wife and kids away too. What do you think would happen if he said "oh btw sweetie, i'm going to fly my plane into the IRS building down town." She'd shit some bricks and call the cops. How's a guy suppose to crash a tax return if he's in jail?

I'm just saying, if he wanted to do damage, why didn't he have explosives? Or take out other while he was on the ground. I highly doubt his main goal was to kill people. Just hit the building. The image and name which would in turn turn people to his manifesto. I read it.