the NSX lives on.....

[gloryaccordy]

I wouldn't say it's a complete fail... It's probably perfectly competitive with a Ferrari... however, much of the cost of a Ferrari is for the prestige that accompanies the brand. Lexus doesn't have that prestige. "Lexus. More than you can afford, pal!" Somehow, that just doesn't work.

Nissan did it right. The GT-R may not quite be as refined as some higher priced supercars, but the performance, appearance, and level of technology you get for the price makes it a bargain.

The NSX was somewhere between the GT-R and LF-A of today. It was a bit more refined in terms of build quality and engineering... often compared to Ferrari without any serious opposition. It was fairly underpowered for a "supercar", and a bit overpriced (all of the other Japanese makers had 300hp cars for considerably less money...though most were brutish and unrefined, or unreliable, in comparison to the NSX)
For Honda to release something competitive, I doubt they'd do it for under $100,000. It would be pricier than the GT-R, and cheaper than the LF-A. I would expect it to be highly competitive with both.

As much as I hate the GT-R, I agree that it makes more sense than the LF-A. If Toyota wanted to create something like this, with cost being no object, they should have just made a prototype and played with that. Though I guess that wouldn't be much different from what they're doing now.

However, there are cars that are 1/2, 1/3, 1/4 the price that outperform this car. Honestly, making sports cars is not hard.... Toyota could have built the LF-A out of steel (or aluminum) and threw in a modified version of the IS-F motor w/a DSG. But I digress.

I think this would be a perfect opportunity for Honda to unveil a corporate V8.

The LF-A is about just as purposeful as a Veyron. It's not meant to be accessible to every one. Hell, what if ithey don't sell a SINGLE one? If thats the case, that would be WAY more beneficial to Toyota than a non existant NSX ever would be.

Toyota built the LF-A to prove something. They know how, they could, and they did. Every thing about that car is experimental technology.

LF-A is a stepping stone. It's a gateway to future consumer based technology. Has it crossed your mind that maybe, JUST MAYBE, the next IS-F will come with a V10 and wax the FU(* out of the M5? Maybe they won't even do that. Maybe they'll make a more consumer orientated coupe based on the LF-A. V10, Mid Engine etc etc.

Toyota is doing. Honda isn't. Next gen S roadster? Supposed to be the S3000, right? Axed. NSX? Axed.

It seems like lately, what honda cant. Toyota can. And will. LF-A is just a massive, bold statement.

Just because none of us can afford one, doesn't mean it Fails.

I will put it like this... what would you rather have?







Or two of these???

[apuforyou]

The rotors on that Ferrari look ungodly huge lol

[gloryaccordy]

I'm pretty sure they're carbon too. One of them probably costs more than a new Accord

[owequitit]

The LF-A is about just as purposeful as a Veyron. It's not meant to be accessible to every one. Hell, what if ithey don't sell a SINGLE one? If thats the case, that would be WAY more beneficial to Toyota than a non existant NSX ever would be.

Toyota built the LF-A to prove something. They know how, they could, and they did. Every thing about that car is experimental technology.

LF-A is a stepping stone. It's a gateway to future consumer based technology. Has it crossed your mind that maybe, JUST MAYBE, the next IS-F will come with a V10 and wax the FU(* out of the M5? Maybe they won't even do that. Maybe they'll make a more consumer orientated coupe based on the LF-A. V10, Mid Engine etc etc.

Toyota is doing. Honda isn't. Next gen S roadster? Supposed to be the S3000, right? Axed. NSX? Axed.

It seems like lately, what honda cant. Toyota can. And will. LF-A is just a massive, bold statement.

Just because none of us can afford one, doesn't mean it Fails.

Danny, Danny, Danny,

You sound like a Toyota salesman.

The LF-A is nowhere near the level of the Veyron, and no, it wouldn't be beneficial for Toyota to build it and not sell a single one. Speaking of which, they can only be leased, and probably will have to be given back at the end. What kind of crap is that?

Also, Toyota is doing and Honda is not? In what way? Losing money? Toyota certainly is doing, and Honda is not.

There is nothing "experimental" about the technology in the LF-A except MAYBE the CF construction. But considering they have been doing similar things in the airplane industry with CF for many decades now, I don't know that I would qualify that as being "experiemental." Even the Hondajet is mostly carbon fiber...

Also, what exactly did Toyota want to prove? That they could build a car that is slower than the ENTRY LEVEL Ferrari with fewer cylinders for $100,000 more? Sounds like they proved...well, nothing really. Of course, we aren't even talking uber-Ferrari's here either, but just plain entry level ones. I sure hope that isn't the level of Toyota's top achievement, because if just barely besting the entry level Ferrari is proving something, Honda did that 20 years ago, and they managed to actually price the car at a fraction of the Ferrari versus the other way around.

Ultimately, the LF-A is a cool car, but is not NEARLY what people are hyping it to be. I hate having to take away from a true enthusiast's car to keep statements like "Toyota is doing" in context.

As for the HSV010, it is a loophole in the SuperGT rules that will allow Honda to race. It is in the best interests of both parties involved, because SuperGT benefits from having all major Japanese players involved, to provide variety and competition, and Honda benefits from keeping their name out there in racing. Honda essentially had to withdraw the NSX-R GT based car from competition, because the MR setup was too handicapped with restrictions to effectively compete. They may have also had plans to do so anyway with the expected debut of the new car.

It is unfortunate that Honda has cancelled such a product for production, but given the fact that the economy took a shit, nearly everyone else is losing money, Honda probably made the best choice possible.

[zmanwit90accord]

okay here are the official photos of this race-spec NSX



skip to 3:35ish


looks pretty sick to me

[gcvphoto]

The LF-A isn't going to do as well as the GTR for a simple fact... the hype and legend of the GTR. This could be the same possibility for the NSX, if Honda decides to stay on the same track. When Nissan built the GTR they did not stray VERY far from the other GTRs, which developed the hype that they were hoping for. The LF-A does not and will not have the hype and legend of the GTR. Toyota would have done a better job with redesigning and reengineering the Supra for today's market. However, there is a big possibility that people who know the story and history of the NSX will create enough buzz and hype to make it a profitable venture for Honda to actually pursue a new production model of the NSX.

I don't know about any of you, but the NSX has always been one of my dream cars ever since I sat in one when I was 6 years old (my dad loves Hondas).

[texasvtak]