Bisi's latest... droool

[kentucky accord]

i know guys that run it in their cars as well. i also know how much trouble they have been in when the police had a look at their cars (and this is in Kentucky!). i wouldnt want to be within 1000ft of that car in CA, hahaha.

FWIW, Kentucky is home to some of (if not the) fastest street driven DSM/Mitsu(evo) cars in the nation and i dont know of a single one running meth/water injection.

[Bisimoto]

Thanks, D.
Good point with the cops, Kentucky. There are many evos here in cali doing it. There is also a very successful S2000 on Honda-tech that ran 9s with an AEM water meth kit+93 pump...and drives on the street. Not bad at all.
Only time will tell how successful we will be with the project.

[quickangel93]

I know at least 2 people that do, or at least have, used meth injection for their daily drivers.



An AWD Wagovan would be pretty sweet... though I would think the Honda AWD system would take quite a bit of beefing up. It's not made to put down a ton of power!
Honestly, if you plan on making your CB AWD... you might want to look into stronger AWD parts, such as something from a Subaru or Mitsubishi, or even an Audi.

The H2D or H2B setup would require more than just mounts for a CB. The B and D transmissions are shifted via rods, whereas the H and F transmissions are shifted with cables. It's not overly difficult to put a cable transmission into a rod-shifted car, but to do it the other way around would require some floor surgery. If you're prepared to do that, then I suppose a mount kit would be useful. However, due to the considerable modification that must be done, the likelihood of mounts being made available is slim... there just isn't a market for them.

well thats why i want to find a company that could make the gears. i think the gears inside the dseries fwd and awd tranny are similer. if they are i could just get a dogbox gear set. for the rear, if someone could also make gears for it. im sure theres companies out there.

money isnt a issue, neither is time. thats why my sig says 2011.

[deevergote]

Gear-Speed... now called Synchrotech, I believe (unless I'm totally confused), seems to be the most prominent custom transmission company that caters to the Honda crowd. I'm sure if they don't have what you want, they could make it. As long as cost isn't an issue!

They rebuilt 2 transmissions for h22sparkle, and he was pleased. He's not a fan of Hondas anymore, and he still sings their praises.

[bcjammerx]

Bisi, I'd love to see what you can do with a turbo F22Ax!

It is coming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG

Bisi, we've seen what you can do with the f22, I'm sure you'll find a way to make this setup work just fine. Always interesting to see extreme builds like yours, but even though they are extreme, they are VERY relatable to us.

Some things we may not be able to do such as your custom intake setup on your f22 build, but I love that the technology you implement IS available for us general tuners. And...tuning on pump gas, even though you have to do more work to get it to work, we can see what it would take to use pump gas on a build like this...and it's stuff we CAN do.

Sure you could go all out and build something that could never be streetable and we could never in our wildest dreams even come close to...(your record drag engine comes to mind) but at least stuff like this...we could get somewhat near it maybe...

Thanks man for keeping us up do date!

[quickangel93]

Gear-Speed... now called Synchrotech, I believe (unless I'm totally confused), seems to be the most prominent custom transmission company that caters to the Honda crowd. I'm sure if they don't have what you want, they could make it. As long as cost isn't an issue!

They rebuilt 2 transmissions for h22sparkle, and he was pleased. He's not a fan of Hondas anymore, and he still sings their praises.

thanks deev!

[wed3k]

that would be cool if you had a "stage" setup for a turbo...cam, manifold and a reflash?

it would be the hot setup, bringing the sohc back!

[Law Grandeur]

i actually wanna see the body work. i never seen these civics done before. around here those are just like geo metros...unwanted. makes me wanna pick one up

[19dabeast85]

Some of you are really underestimating the additional power gained from a good water/meth system.

Water/meth injection has been around for years in the turbo diesel world and straight distilled water injection will EASILY add 100whp to any of the big three's current stock turbo diesel engines, change it to a water/meth mixture and the power easily increases to +150 whp. And the great thing about running a quality system is that even with an extra 100whp or more, you are increasing the life of the engine by lower operating temps. It's a simple concept of physics, many don't believe in it though.

As to the emissions that result from injecting water/meth.....SC doesn't care.

[Supergenius]

Not at all, we will use 91 pump, and also test with 108 unleaded Torco fuel.

Uh Pump gas and Meth injection isnt pump dude. Its Pump AND meth... Its not a pumpgas build if youre running injection.... Totally misleading... Thats the only thing I dont like that ive read so far....

Good luck getting to 700 ... I know it wont in any way make it on pump fuel (as in no injection... PUMP).

That manifolds going to crack... I know what you fabbed it out of, and why... but whatever...I dont care how much its braced (although I dont see any in the pics).. The wastegate priority is suspect as well... and yes, twin gates would have worked better than the merged single.

Ive seen the tests Geoff and Evans did.... I know why youre thinking what youre thinking (I understand fluid dynamics fairly well), but the merged gate is NOT ass effective as twins (let alone how they are setup on tha manifold). If it were Id only have 1 gate on my piece of shit (well I actually have to flow alot more gas than you will due to displacement, so there IS that)

I like the project though, the head is beautifull

Good luck.

I would have rather seen a F though....


Is there a CG tranny in the future for it?? Or something more exotic. I know Mike had GREAT luck with the CG on hisw D build, and he was fragging D trannys every two or three passes....

just for the record.
there are no-names out there making over 600whp easily on d16s, with 25% of bisi's budget.

this thing should crush 700whp.

still a sick ass build, but just thought i would share.

James isnt exactly a "NO NAME" and there are NOT a whole lot of Ds making 600. Theres only one, and it was on Vitaras. Motor lost a piston. Ha dit been built at that time it would still be around. Those guys LOVE pushing pump gas too, they are kinda known for it around here.... Anyways, Its NOT easy to make that power on a D. Period

There are however people knocking on 9s with 450 WHP D setups. I know 2. Their cars look like shit too, youd NEVER EVER belivee it

[SOHCinWA]

Uh Pump gas and Meth injection isnt pump dude. Its Pump AND meth... Its not a pumpgas build if youre running injection.... Totally misleading... Thats the only thing I dont like that ive read so far....

Good luck getting to 700 ... I know it wont in any way make it on pump fuel (as in no injection... PUMP).

That manifolds going to crack... I know what you fabbed it out of, and why... but whatever...I dont care how much its braced (although I dont see any in the pics).. The wastegate priority is suspect as well... and yes, twin gates would have worked better than the merged single.

Ive seen the tests Geoff and Evans did.... I know why youre thinking what youre thinking (I understand fluid dynamics fairly well), but the merged gate is NOT ass effective as twins (let alone how they are setup on tha manifold). If it were Id only have 1 gate on my piece of shit (well I actually have to flow alot more gas than you will due to displacement, so there IS that)

I like the project though, the head is beautifull

Good luck.

I would have rather seen a F though....


Is there a CG tranny in the future for it?? Or something more exotic. I know Mike had GREAT luck with the CG on hisw D build, and he was fragging D trannys every two or three passes....



James isnt exactly a "NO NAME" and there are NOT a whole lot of Ds making 600. Theres only one, and it was on Vitaras. Motor lost a piston. Ha dit been built at that time it would still be around. Those guys LOVE pushing pump gas too, they are kinda known for it around here.... Anyways, Its NOT easy to make that power on a D. Period

There are however people knocking on 9s with 450 WHP D setups. I know 2. Their cars look like shit too, youd NEVER EVER belivee it

Actually after SpeedFactory took apart the engine completely they found out that they spun a rod bearing. That was the cause of the piston hitting the valve and fatality.

They do however have another build in the car.
560whp/381tq @ 29-30psi



D16Y7 block (stock sleeves)
75mm Vitara pistons & FJT H-beam rods (7.5:1 c/r)
Ported D16Z6 head
Golden Eagle IM
68mm Omni Power TB
Precision SC6262SP .82 a/r
Ramhorn turbo manifold
VP Q16
Bisimoto 3.6 cam

They plan on making the drive to California this coming weekend for BOTI in Fontana. If any of you are going, make sure to check the car out.

[Supergenius]

Actually after SpeedFactory took apart the engine completely they found out that they spun a rod bearing. That was the cause of the piston hitting the valve and fatality.

They do however have another build in the car.
560whp/381tq @ 29-30psi


Oh
D16Y7 block (stock sleeves)
75mm Vitara pistons & FJT H-beam rods (7.5:1 c/r)
Ported D16Z6 head
Golden Eagle IM
68mm Omni Power TB
Precision SC6262SP .82 a/r
Ramhorn turbo manifold
VP Q16
Bisimoto 3.6 cam

They plan on making thpe drive to California this coming weekend for BOTI in Fontana. If any of you are going, make sure to check the car out.

Once again you have managed to tell me nothing I don't know. Well played sir. Did you not get enough of a raping on the other. Site ?

I'm still waiting to be suprised or impressed by anything YOU'VE brought to the table... I won't hold my breath. Ride on.

[19dabeast85]

Once again you have managed to tell me nothing I don't know. Well played sir. Did you not get enough of a raping on the other. Site ?

I'm still waiting to be suprised or impressed by anything YOU'VE brought to the table... I won't hold my breath. Ride on.

Why do people have to be so immature on forums? If you have beef with someone personally, why not take it up with them through PM's? Just a suggestion.

[steelbluesleepR]

Uh Pump gas and Meth injection isnt pump dude. Its Pump AND meth... Its not a pumpgas build if youre running injection.... Totally misleading... Thats the only thing I dont like that ive read so far....

Good luck getting to 700 ... I know it wont in any way make it on pump fuel (as in no injection... PUMP).

That manifolds going to crack... I know what you fabbed it out of, and why... but whatever...I dont care how much its braced (although I dont see any in the pics).. The wastegate priority is suspect as well... and yes, twin gates would have worked better than the merged single.

Ive seen the tests Geoff and Evans did.... I know why youre thinking what youre thinking (I understand fluid dynamics fairly well), but the merged gate is NOT ass effective as twins (let alone how they are setup on tha manifold). If it were Id only have 1 gate on my piece of shit (well I actually have to flow alot more gas than you will due to displacement, so there IS that)

are you an engineer or even taken the BASICS of engineering classes? if not, then i'm pretty sure bisi has you beat in knowlege of structural integrity and metallurgy. he has a Ph.d. having sutdied various different enginering fields. the software he uses can EASILY tell if it will crack at elevated temperatures or not and i can guarantee that he has done that. also, he uses the best quality stainless steel with very specific sizes and wall thicknesses and designs the manifold with those in mind.

in short, dont be an idiot and call BS on people that do this for a living and do it VERY well.

[SOHCinWA]

Call it what you like. Someone mentioned that the 609whp vitara build failure was due to piston failure. When in actuality it was not. Just clarifying that up for some people...

But thanks.