Police rules of conduct/regulations they have to follow

[deevergote]

I know a few things... in example just say you are casually walking down the street, an officer walks up and asks for your name or identification... according to my Brother who is an officer in Montgomery... you are not required to give them your information unless they have a probable cause to suspect you of some wrong-doing.

Denial to produce identification CAN be considered probable cause, though.




Basically, know your rights. They're written down. National, state, and local. They are available to you. Police are not allowed to violate your rights in anything but an extreme circumstance.

[MikeW]

You can also tell a cop that they CANNOT search your car, even with nothing to hide. That of course gives them probable cause and if they fell the need to, they WILL get a search warrant. At which time will only hold you up longer. If you do have something to hide, good luck. If you dont, just let them search. Usually they only do a quick once-over and it doesnt take long. That goes back to the whole "if they didnt profile/search everyone" thing.

The line here, is "Probable Cause". There is no set definition of "Probable Cause". Probable Cause, is basically alloing te cop to base his experience with you, on his own gut instinct. Sometimes theyre wrong, alot of times theyre right.

Putting your keys on your roof and being "overly complient", IMO, is probable cause. For what, he doesnt know, but i guarantee you that sets off a red flag in his mind.

"Why is this guy being so nice and quick to comply...??"

There are rules about them saying things to you or having/keeping a certain demeanor in the presence of civilians, but its one of those things. Unless you have dash-cam proof and its physical, there really isnt much you can do. Do you know how many fuckheads call ro go to their local PD and say "oh, so and so roughed me up and called me names and said this and said that.." ???

Alot.

I look at them like bees, lol. We're both aware of eachother and while i cant squash a cop, he(and the bee) can hurt me. Freaking out and running is only going to make things worse. I just acknowledge its presence and go about my business. If it really gets in my way, i try to move away or just calmly get away.

Its mutual respect.

[ric3rboi23]

I would think that putting your keys on the roof and both hands on the wheel, gives the cop suspicion. Even if you really do have nothing to hide, he'll think its a tactic. The best bet is to just sit and be yourself; be patient; respectful and complient. 9/10 times you know you were speeding. What YOU do has no power over the cop. Its all up to him. If he's feeling generous, you're lucky. If he feels like being a dick, you get a ticket.

And TBH, if you get a ticket, he's not being a dick, he's doing his job. He's paying his bills. He's feeding his families.

Its simple really; if you dont want tickets, dont speed or invest in a very good detector.

And while cops may or may not profile, if you get pulled over "for no reason", take it with a grain of salt. Unless you're in an extremem hurry, it'll only take a few moments. And if they didnt profile or randomly pick ppl, there'd be criminals on the loose all over. Believe it or not, its those little things like "profiling" that catch alot of criminals.

Im not siding with the police, im just saying that as ive gotten older, ive come to respect them and learn that theyre only doing their job. Granted some are dicks and enjoy fucking with ppl, but as long as im not breaking any laws, i get the last laugh.

Im curious as to why you wanna know what you can/cant do in the presence of a cop... Do you wanna take it right to the edge? You dont have over-step your boundary for a cop to be a dick. Like i said, he may have been feeling nice, but then you went and said something edgy or just inside the line, and oh, look who's getting a ticket now...

You do have rights, you know those. "The right to remain silent..." everyone knows that whole shpeel. I dont think there are set rules as to what a cop "Can and cannot do in the presence of a civilian". Their job is to uphold the law. Sometimes at whatever costs, be it your life or theirs.

My advice; grow up. Dont do stupid things just to push a cop to the limit or over the edge, for whatever reason, especially "police brutality". It just wont work.

IMHO, this thread is asking, "How much can i get away with before he'll hit me or pull his gun on me?" or "If i egg him on, how far is too far?"

Like i said, grow up. Show some respect.

EDIT: Im not trying to be a dick, i just hate seeing ppl fucking with cops, and then they wonder why they pick on us. Normal ppl speed and race too. We' have a bad name for a reason, so please dont tarnish further.

You can also tell a cop that they CANNOT search your car, even with nothing to hide. That of course gives them probable cause and if they fell the need to, they WILL get a search warrant. At which time will only hold you up longer. If you do have something to hide, good luck. If you dont, just let them search. Usually they only do a quick once-over and it doesnt take long. That goes back to the whole "if they didnt profile/search everyone" thing.

The line here, is "Probable Cause". There is no set definition of "Probable Cause". Probable Cause, is basically alloing te cop to base his experience with you, on his own gut instinct. Sometimes theyre wrong, alot of times theyre right.

Putting your keys on your roof and being "overly complient", IMO, is probable cause. For what, he doesnt know, but i guarantee you that sets off a red flag in his mind.

"Why is this guy being so nice and quick to comply...??"

There are rules about them saying things to you or having/keeping a certain demeanor in the presence of civilians, but its one of those things. Unless you have dash-cam proof and its physical, there really isnt much you can do. Do you know how many fuckheads call ro go to their local PD and say "oh, so and so roughed me up and called me names and said this and said that.." ???

Alot.

I look at them like bees, lol. We're both aware of eachother and while i cant squash a cop, he(and the bee) can hurt me. Freaking out and running is only going to make things worse. I just acknowledge its presence and go about my business. If it really gets in my way, i try to move away or just calmly get away.

Its mutual respect.

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shut up.

[MikeW]

I know, "blah blah blah.." what do i know?

[MikeW]

Im not saying to be a drone and totally submissive. I dont like cops just as much as the next guy. They've done things to tarnish their rep as well, but just like tuners, not all cops are the same. You have to treat them accordingly.

I just dont think there is a "things you can get away with in front of a cop" list.

[h22sparkle]

I had a cop pull me over ask for ID I told him no problem he started copying my id and i started writing down his badge number.

Then by calling it in and watch my uncle and aunt go to work cause im connected they cant cuff me or even give me a fuckin parking ticket anymore haha. Lifes good when you have that authority. As long as I dont get carried away with it and do some ill shit im in the clear.

[deevergote]

Yeah, just don't break the law and they can't do anything to you.

But you're absolutely right, you have every right to take down THEIR information (as in badge number, etc... not their personal information)

If a cop gets upset that you're copying his badge number, he needs to realize that it is within your rights to have a record of who it was that you dealt with. Especially since every ticket I get, I can't EVER read the name, and I can rarely even make out the number!

[doughboy415]

Police Code of Conduct

03/22/05 IACP/TMM/ff IV

All law enforcement officers must be fully aware of the ethical responsibilities of their position and must strive constantly to live
up to the highest possible standards of professional policing. The International Association of Chiefs of Police believes it important
that police officers have clear advice and counsel available to assist them in performing their duties consistent with these standards,
and has adopted the following ethical mandates as guidelines to meet these ends.

Primary Responsibilities of a Police Officer
A police officer acts as an official representative of
government who is required and trusted to work within the
law. The officer’s powers and duties are conferred by
statute. The fundamental duties of a police officer include
serving the community, safeguarding lives and property,
protecting the innocent, keeping the peace and ensuring the
rights of all to liberty, equality and justice.
Performance of the Duties of a Police Officer
A police officer shall perform all duties impartially,
without favor or affection or ill will and without regard to
status, sex, race, religion, political belief or aspiration. All
citizens will be treated equally with courtesy, consideration
and dignity.
Officers will never allow personal feelings, animosities
or friendships to influence official conduct. Laws will be
enforced appropriately and courteously and, in carrying out
their responsibilities, officers will strive to obtain maximum
cooperation from the public. They will conduct themselves
in appearance and department in such a manner as to inspire
confidence and respect for the position of the public trust
they hold.

Discretion
A police officer will use responsibly the discretion
vested in his position and exercise it within the law. The
principle of reasonableness will guide the officer’s
determinations, and the officer will consider all surrounding
circumstances in determining whether any legal action shall
be taken.
Consistent and wise use of discretion, based on
professional policing competence, will do much to preserve
good relationships and retain the confidence of the public.
There can be difficulty in choosing between conflicting
courses of action. It is important to remember that a timely
word of advice rather than arrest - which may be correct in
appropriate circumstances-, can be a more effective means
of achieving a desired end.

Use of Force
A police officer will never employ unnecessary force or
violence and will use only such force in the discharge of
duty as is reasonable in all circumstances.
The use of force should be used only with the greatest
restraint and only after discussion, negotiation and
persuasion have been found to be inappropriate or
ineffective. While the use of force is occasionally
unavoidable, every police officer will refrain from
unnecessary infliction of pain or suffering and will never
engage in cruel, degrading or inhumane treatment of any
person.

Confidentiality
Whatever a police officer sees, hears or learns of that is of a
confidential nature will be kept secret unless the performance of duty
or legal provision requires otherwise.
Members of the public have a right to security and privacy and
information obtained about them must not be improperly divulged.

Integrity
A police officer will not engage in acts of corruption or bribery,
nor will an officer condone such acts by other police officers.
The public demands that the integrity of police officers be above
reproach. Police officers must, therefore, avoid any conduct that
might compromise integrity and thus undercut the public confidence
in a law enforcement agency. Officers will refuse to accept any gifts,
presents, subscriptions, favors, gratuities or promises that could be
interpreted as seeking to cause the officer to refrain from performing
official responsibilities honestly and within the law. Police officers
must not receive private or special advantage from their official
status. Respect from the public cannot be bought; it can only be
earned and cultivated.

Cooperation with Other Police Officers and Agencies
Police officers will cooperate with all legally authorized agencies
and their representatives in the pursuit of justice.
An officer or agency may be one among many organizations that
may provide law enforcement services to a jurisdiction. It is
imperative that a police officer assists colleagues fully and
completely with respect and consideration at all times.

Personal-Professional Capabilities
Police officers will be responsible for their own standard of
professional performance and will take every reasonable opportunity
to enhance and improve their level of knowledge and competence.
Through study and experience, a police officer can acquire the
high level of knowledge and competence that is essential for the
efficient and effective performance of duty. The acquisition of
knowledge is a never-ending process of personal and professional
development that should be pursued constantly.

Private Life
Police officers will behave in a manner that does not bring
discredit to their agencies or themselves. A police officer’s character
and conduct while off duty must always be exemplary, thus
maintaining a position of respect in the community in which he or
she lives and serves. The officer’s personal behavior must be beyond
reproach.

[Shadow1]

I would think that putting your keys on the roof and both hands on the wheel, gives the cop suspicion. Even if you really do have nothing to hide, he'll think its a tactic. The best bet is to just sit and be yourself; be patient; respectful and complient. 9/10 times you know you were speeding. What YOU do has no power over the cop. Its all up to him. If he's feeling generous, you're lucky. If he feels like being a dick, you get a ticket.

And TBH, if you get a ticket, he's not being a dick, he's doing his job. He's paying his bills. He's feeding his families.

Its simple really; if you dont want tickets, dont speed or invest in a very good detector.

And while cops may or may not profile, if you get pulled over "for no reason", take it with a grain of salt. Unless you're in an extremem hurry, it'll only take a few moments. And if they didnt profile or randomly pick ppl, there'd be criminals on the loose all over. Believe it or not, its those little things like "profiling" that catch alot of criminals.

Im not siding with the police, im just saying that as ive gotten older, ive come to respect them and learn that theyre only doing their job. Granted some are dicks and enjoy fucking with ppl, but as long as im not breaking any laws, i get the last laugh.

Im curious as to why you wanna know what you can/cant do in the presence of a cop... Do you wanna take it right to the edge? You dont have over-step your boundary for a cop to be a dick. Like i said, he may have been feeling nice, but then you went and said something edgy or just inside the line, and oh, look who's getting a ticket now...

You do have rights, you know those. "The right to remain silent..." everyone knows that whole shpeel. I dont think there are set rules as to what a cop "Can and cannot do in the presence of a civilian". Their job is to uphold the law. Sometimes at whatever costs, be it your life or theirs.

My advice; grow up. Dont do stupid things just to push a cop to the limit or over the edge, for whatever reason, especially "police brutality". It just wont work.

IMHO, this thread is asking, "How much can i get away with before he'll hit me or pull his gun on me?" or "If i egg him on, how far is too far?"

Like i said, grow up. Show some respect.

EDIT: Im not trying to be a dick, i just hate seeing ppl fucking with cops, and then they wonder why they pick on us. Normal ppl speed and race too. We' have a bad name for a reason, so please dont tarnish further.

i show respect to every cop i talk to or that pulls me. i have no reason to be mad with them. but when i get pulled because my license plate light is out and then im searched. what makes it worse is that the cop pulled over, let 2 cars pass him(like literally 3 or 4ft apart) and then got in behind me.

i left early so i can get some rest before i go into work, but they decided to search my car. took like 10-15min. why? idk. then the cop asked me the same question like 4 or 5 times. after the search i pulled over to the gas station like 100yrds away and found out my tag light was NOT out. wtf?

in my area if a cop asked to search my car, i wouldnt have no problem if he told me they were searching cars for drugs and thats why he pulled me. but dont pull me for something small like my tag light is out or my car is too low so you want to search my car. that just tells me that you think i have drugs on me because of the mods ive done to my car or i have weed on me because im black.

i didnt make this thread as to find ways to find to say "how far can i push him before he pulls a gun on me" or "how far can i take this before i knocks me over the head with a nightstick and cuffs me." if for my knowledge of what a cop can and cannot do to me if i get pulled or approached by one.

the cops i know are off the chain. since i work at Arby's, they come by there and they get 50% off their meal. i even gave a group of them a free meal because they we're upset a suspect got away that they had tried to go after when they stole something from walmart. i always joke with them. they're always friendly and sometimes if i see them on the street, i wave or i even stop to talk to them.

My quick .02- An officer can and will make up a probable cause story for pulling you over/stopping you on the street. Ive been pulled over and had my truck and myself searched because of a brake light/tail light out (cant remember witch one) Is that really probable cause for a search of my personal belongings? I dono maybe it is but not in my eyes....lol

read my comment above about being search because my tag light was out.

Police Code of Conduct

03/22/05 IACP/TMM/ff IV

All law enforcement officers must be fully aware of the ethical responsibilities of their position and must strive constantly to live
up to the highest possible standards of professional policing. The International Association of Chiefs of Police believes it important
that police officers have clear advice and counsel available to assist them in performing their duties consistent with these standards,
and has adopted the following ethical mandates as guidelines to meet these ends.

thanx man. i figured you'd have something as much as the cops hassle you. lmao.

[93F22A6]

Well I didn't read this but remember the right to no selfincrimination, probable cause for searches, and if you are being followed and you don't know if it is a real cop, you can dail 911 and they will figure it out. I wouldn't try that unless it's dark and it's an unmarked car.

edit: shadow you got pulled and searched b/c your tail light was out? If they found something they can't do anything against you. Or at least I don't think so. They didn't have probable cause to search your car. All they needed to do it give you a warning and say get it fixed.

[npor]

Whenever I get pulled over, I always pull out my glock and start shooting, then drive off.

[Shadow1]

Well I didn't read this but remember the right to no selfincrimination, probable cause for searches, and if you are being followed and you don't know if it is a real cop, you can dail 911 and they will figure it out. I wouldn't try that unless it's dark and it's an unmarked car.

edit: shadow you got pulled and searched b/c your tail light was out? If they found something they can't do anything against you. Or at least I don't think so. They didn't have probable cause to search your car. All they needed to do it give you a warning and say get it fixed.

they really got on people about that especially since those rape/murder cases that happened with some guy in VA rolling around in a car that looked exactly like a cop car and a uniform.

but yeah. i got searched because my tag light was out. i should have said no. but i had left early purposely to get to work early so i can sleep in the parking lot for a little bit before i went in for the night(i work 10pm to 8am).

Whenever I get pulled over, I always pull out my glock and start shooting, then drive off.

does that work? i might try that.

[ChIoVnIdCa]

they really got on people about that especially since those rape/murder cases that happened with some guy in VA rolling around in a car that looked exactly like a cop car and a uniform.

but yeah. i got searched because my tag light was out. i should have said no. but i had left early purposely to get to work early so i can sleep in the parking lot for a little bit before i went in for the night(i work 10pm to 8am).





does that work? i might try that.

just file a complaint. If it happens again by the same officer or department file a harassment case..

[JoshM]

Simply respect them, and most will return the favor.

When you get pulled over, roll at least your driverside window down. If their are more than you in the car, or if your windows are tinted, roll all the windows down. Most cops are nervoud when walking up to a car. They don't know who you are, or what you may have waiting for them as they walk up to your window. The more comfortable they feel, the less likely they'll be a "dick" to you. Keep your seatbelt ON until they ask for your ID/registration/insurance/etc.

When they ask for it tell them where your getting it from, whether it's in your glove box, center console, or anywhere else. If they know where you're reaching and what you're getting, they'll be more comfortable.

Like other's have said; if they ask you "do you know why I pulled you over?", answer "no sir/ma'am". If they pull you over just to warn you about a tail light being out, and you offer them other reasons for pulling you over, you're an idiot.

Don't be a smartass, don't see how far you can puch them, don't do jack shit you wouldn't want you preacher, parent, etc to see/hear. If they say, "well I'm going to have to give you a ticket for going 10mph over the limit", accept it. Don't go crazy about it, or I'm sure they'll find a lot more shit to write down on that little piece of paper.

Like other's have said; write down their name and/or badge number. If they ask you what you're doing, simply tell them your keeping it for your records. Most of the time they won't even ask about it, because it's what you should be doing anyways.

If you're not sure if that car behind you flashing their lights is a cop or a whacker/rapist/theif, call it in. A cop will ALWAYS call in before getting out of their car. They'll give the make & model, license plate number, color, and any other distinguishing features, for their own safety, and you should od the same. If you don't want to call it in and ask, siomply put on your hazards and drive to a well lit, and well populated area.




These are all things my uncle (a cop) has told me. I'm sure I'm forgetting some, but you get the main idea. I've been pulled over at least a dozen times, but I've only gotten 1 ticket from an officer. So, obviously my uncle knows what he's talking about.

[bcjammerx]

any one read the amendments to the constitution...there is one about illegal search and seizures. #4

They can't search your car without probable cause

BUUUT...probable cause...it's kind of a gray area

If you deny their request to search your car that is not probable cause TO search it...however, they CAN bring a drug/bomb dog in to sniff...if he alerts they may then search without your consent.

Looking through your windows is not a search, it is public view...so anyone can look in whether you like or not...if they look in and see something that looks like a weapon, paraphernalia, etc...then that gives them probable cause to search without your consent.

A tail light being out is NOT probable cause.

But...as we've seen...unless you are a Harvard professor...if you fight the cops you most likely won't win...unless you are a professor and cause a big stink about it...either way you still get hauled in :LOL: