What's with this obsession of removing AC and/or cruise control?

[npor]

I LOVE my CC. It stopped working for some reason two weeks ago, and for 15 minutes I was so upset that I actually had to hold the pedal down while I was on the way to my girlfriends house.


I would like to see someone go to the track, make 3 runs WITH ac/ps/cc. Take the average, and write that number down.

Then I'd like for that person, while at the track, take off ac/ps/cc, then do three more runs and take the average, then compare the two numbers to see what relative gains people should look for while contemplating removing ac/ps/cc.

[d112crzy]

I don't really care what you can understand. I use it all the time and have never fallen asleep. Plus, it is easier on my right knee, and it is more comfortable, saves gas and allows to me cruise at a lower indicated speed and still get there in the same amount of time, because nearly everybody who uses their foot on a long trip has speed fluctuations.

Did you feel that question was aimed at your or something? I didn't ask what you cared, it was a blank statement.

[NutBucket]

Actually, using CC isn't the most efficient way to drive. Now, for the average person it will save gas but there are more efficient and effective driving techniques that will increase fuel economy.

and npor, you'd be lucky to see a .1 second difference. In fact, I'd bet you'd see no difference.

[d112crzy]

Actually, using CC isn't the most efficient way to drive. Now, for the average person it will save gas but there are more efficient and effective driving techniques that will increase fuel economy.

and npor, you'd be lucky to see a .1 second difference. In fact, I'd bet you'd see no difference.

Yea. It might save gas on a flat surface, but it's a completely different story once upward hills are introduced.

[JaK FRoSTWhiTE]

I don't understand how people can use CC. That shit puts me to sleep!

I used it driving to Florida, 20hrs one way on the gas kills my right knee and lower right part of my back.

We tried wiring CC on Juan's DX for the ATL meet (13hrs one way) but it was too much work to swap the whole harness over.
He has no problem not having CC, me on the other hand need it for the reasons stated above.

It all comes down to personal preference and not because you think you're going to save more gas, or add a couple HP.

[noobcake]

btw using track times to account for gains is a horrible idea.
there are so many variables in a 1/4 run, that there is no way to decipher if you have lost or gained anything. unless its huge. like nitrous

[gloryaccordy]

Better check would be a dyno... you def. gain something dropping P/S, and A/C slows the car down even more. But fuck it, I drive a 150HP 2900# car to do grocery shopping and see my family... no track time, no dyno time nothing, I literally gain nothing by taking any of the stuff out. ESPECIALLY when I have to parallel park the car every day.

[HenRoc]

I removed my a/c at the time because the compressor wasn't any good and along with GraniteCB7 who was helping me with the h22 swap on my car..we did rush to finish it up.

Cruise control..I never did figure out how to re-do that whole setup..but eh I can deal with out it.

I regret not putting the a/c back in because I'm like hot fudge melting in an oven on humid days..

I'm sure that can give you guys a really good visual by now.

enjoy

[quickangel93]

Uh..you've never been in a Civic with even a low budget suspension setup have you? They will out handle any CB with a mild setup easily.


OP:

Engine bays look cleaner without the "amenities". The car weighs less and the engine can rev freer and it frees up power. Not to mention, they get in the way when doing other shit.


I've been in FL during the summer, I've been in AZ during the summer, I've been in Cali during the summer and I've lived on E. WA my entire life...I haven't ever needed AC or PS, ever. I drove across the country, twice. I didn't need CC then.

Out of the 1.5 years I had my car stock, I don't think I ever used my AC. Although, the only time I wish I did have it is during the winter so I can defog my windows. A cracked open window solves that problem though.


Your amenities aren't my amenities.



BTW Scott, your AZ heat ain't got shit on FL humidity.

hmm well 3 of my buddies have ek civics. and one has teins on it. the other 2 i forgot. ill tell you right now. with my tokicos and suspenstion tech sway bars, ill sit on their ass all the way through the mountain. not cus the accord was boosted, but the handling improved alot.

[quickangel93]

Using that logic, if you wanted boost, heavy steering, and a large engine bay, doesn't an Accord seem like the wrong place to start?

Cause the Accord you bought HAD a/c, cruise control, and power steering.


EDIT: just saw your last post.

I realize that some people don't want to own Civics because lots of other people do, although that doesn't really make sense to me. The pursuit of driving experience shouldn't be blindsided by what some other owner of some other Civic/CRX did to his car.

Regardless, I HIGHLY doubt that the 2750lb Accord, even trimmed down to 2600lb or whatever, will handle better than the 2100-2400lb EG civic.

Civics aside, if boost is the name of your game, along with engine bay room, wouldn't the 240sx better match your desires?

no that logic meant, that if i wanted luxuirous options i would buy a acura. i compared my accord to my dads acura, now im comparing when the accord was bone stock. id pick acura cl over my accord. with the acura it solf suspension, leather interior, power steering, a/c crusie control, like everything you need its there. with the accord, the suspension wasnt as strong as i wanted it to be, cloth interior: which my ass hurt after long drives, the a/c worked and powersteering, yea it was all good, but like half of the time i didnt need it, cus the windows where down and well without powersteering it didnt feel no different driving it. its maybe alittle harder, but you have more control. plus with the accord i didnt care if it got banged up, the acura i did, cus theres no cls in my area at a junkyard.

i define the accord as just a beater car. its what like 16 years. its seen better days. the acura is 5 years younger and still has its luxury. even tho my accord only got 140k and the acura got 162k

[luckyflip]

im pretty sure people take out all that stuff to make their bays look cleaner,what with all these tucked bays you see everywhere.I believe its a fad.Dont get me wrong ,my jaw drops when i see a nicely done bay,but it will blow over.im acutally in the process of trying to make everything work in my db.In my opinon ,theres nothing cleaner then a clean bay with everything in working condition.

my 2cents

[owequitit]

Actually, using CC isn't the most efficient way to drive. Now, for the average person it will save gas but there are more efficient and effective driving techniques that will increase fuel economy.

and npor, you'd be lucky to see a .1 second difference. In fact, I'd bet you'd see no difference.

Depends. Overall, I measure my MPG EVERY time I drive. Cruise has ALWAYS resulted in the largest net MPG. I have 200K worth of measuring too. Most people will also tell you that the slower you go the better MPG you will get and that is also not entirely true.

The THEORY is that if you maintain a constant throttle position you will get the best MPG, but that is also not entirely true.

Every engine has a point and a load where it is most efficient. If you cruise at that throttle setting on flat ground, you will achieve the best MPG. However, in hilly country, you will eventually have to ADD throttle in order to maintain speed, and or downshift, in which case you may have just offset any MPG gains you might have made.

For the record, the best point of FE on an auto F22 is about 80-83MPH.

I was constantly and consistently able to get better MPG by maintaining that speed range than anything else. I was never able to get better MPG by using any of the other methods, and yes I have tried. Besides, even if it isn't THE most efficient method, it ends up being MORE efficient than when most people throttle the whole way, because they lose focus and modulate the throttle more than the CC which causes a net loss in MPG.

Don't forget that your fuel burn is over time, and as such, while you may burn slightly less at a slower speed, if the rate doesn't decrease proportionally to your speed change, then you will actually burn more over time.

[owequitit]

Did you feel that question was aimed at your or something? I didn't ask what you cared, it was a blank statement.

Nope. Just noticed your relatively high level of PMS lately.

[NAiL05]

I take things out I dont use. CC and Power steering were two of those...Well I took out the Power steering because it put a dent in my hood lol since I was using the accord pump on an h22.

[King James]

For a dd I think AC and PS are pretty much necessities.....I drive my bro in laws 98 civic hatch on occasion....it doesnt have ANY of the luxuries and it gets old......a 2 hour drive on a hot day in that car and I loose like 10 pounds

My cb will not be a dd at any point for me.....but it will be used often during the summer months so if PS and AC will still be able to utilized even after my engine plans it will stay in.....if it gets in the way it will be taken out......tho the PS will likely be staying for good

CC I love....If my car has it I will use it on long road trips.....but I broke some components for it when doing an interior swap so it had no choice but to come out......but of all the things to remove I think CC has the least impact on the driving experience.