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    #61
    I read this post and at the beginning, i was just getting so pissed. It was funny seeing how some people who are actually educated have pretty much just shut up half of the liberal idiots.

    As far as the economy, it's been on the rise ever since the tax cuts instituted by Bush. It gave the american people more money to spend and invest, and they've been doing exactly that. Spending and savings is up since the tax cut. It was an equal tax cut, not one biased towards the rich like Kerry and his supporters made it seem.

    The economy was in a recession when Bush took office. I think everyone is forgetting the Enron scandals and the fall of the dot com businesses that killed the market. They forget the affect of the terrorist attack on the market. Even after all of that, the economy is on the rise.

    There will not be a draft. Kerry is the only one supporting it right now

    The job loss, Did president Bush decide to lay off workers? no. Our government is close to a free market economy, they barely have any say in the jobs. The biggest job loss was seen with the fall of the dot com's and the corperate scandals that surfaced under the Bush administration, and even still, unemployment has been rising ever since. The un-employment rate right now is LOWER then what it was when Clinton started his second term. Lets see if Bush can top Clinton. With the rate at which jobs are forming now, I think it can happen, but we'll see.

    Abortion is a simple issue. It's wrong, BUT you cannot take away the right completely. Abortion needs to be allowed, but up to morally acceptable terms. Kerry DID NOT support the partial birth abortion ban. Partial birth abortions take place when the woman is going into labor. That's WAY too long to wait for an abortion. Kerry supported USING tax payers money to support abortions. I do not agree with that, Abortions should be carried out with private money only. If the girl is less the 18 years old, she should need a parent or legal guardian's signature in order to get one done. Minors need to have a parents signature in order to be an organ donor, I think abortions should not be treated differently in that respect. I think there needs to be laws regulating how long a woman can wait for an abortion unless there is SIGNIFICANT medical resoning behind it, and they need to be carried out in a hospital at that point, not Planned Parenthood. 3 months is long enough for a woman to realize she is pregnant. Abortions should be illegal if it appears as though the baby has been growing for more then 90 days. A woman should know if she's missed 3 periods in a row, and started to gain weight.

    As far as *** marriage. I kinda support it. I think that gays should be able to be united, but "marriage" is a term specific to the union of a man and a woman. If it's a *** union, it should be givin a different title, but they should see the same rights as a married man and woman.
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      #62
      1 a (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2) : the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage <same-sex marriage> b : the mutual relation of married persons : WEDLOCK c : the institution whereby individuals are joined in a marriage
      i kinda agree with that ^^^ atleast it hasnt been translated a billion times like the bible...

      And the thing about unemployment. I dont think it has 100% to do with the president. There is PLENTY OF Jobs out there, its just that all these "americans" want 9-5 jobs and want to get paid 15 dollars an hour. They are to good for jobs out in the field or working at mcdonals or bullshit like that. Who cares if you have to work those jobs, atleast you have money and are finacially stable.
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        #63
        Originally posted by ACCORDianate
        MTV is 100% liberal media propaganda. Just watch their 'rock the vote' crap. Its just trying to get young people to be swayed towards becoming liberals. I can't stand MTV and certainly avoid it now like I never have in the past.
        what the hell is wrong with being liberal?
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          #64
          Originally posted by growguy
          what the hell is wrong with being liberal?
          I think Accordianate brings up some really good points in his statement, although blunt, are some what correct. However, I do believe he may be using the word liberal in a biased form. I, myself, do not see anything wrong with being liberal and following liberal ideals. It is certainly your choice. However, the media is quite liberal and a recent cnn poll agreed to this overwhelmingly. Accordingly, MTV has proven itself to be quite a liberal medium to get young people to vote for Kerry. This is also quite obvious to anyone that owns a television. On the other hand, we have station like FOX news, which supports a more than apparent right wing, conservative, republican approach. Fox news is the MTV for republicans in many ways I believe. The point being, is that each party has their stations that make them "shine", but MTV is geared towards a much more uninformed audience who can be swayed to things as simple as "fashion trends";so my question is,what do you think will happen when you push partisan politics on these impressionable young people?
          Last edited by Nycxeracer; 11-05-2004, 08:38 PM.
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            #65
            Originally posted by Nycxeracer
            I think Accordianate brings up some really good points in his statement, although blunt, are some what correct. However, I do believe he may be using the word liberal in a biased form. I, myself, do not see anything wrong with being liberal and following liberal ideals. It is certainly your choice. However, the media is quite liberal and a recent cnn poll agreed to this overwhelmingly. Accordingly, MTV has proven itself to be quite a liberal medium to get young people to vote for Kerry. This is also quite obvious to anyone that owns a television. On the other hand, we have station like FOX news, which supports a more than apparent right wing, conservative, republican approach. Fox news is the MTV for republicans in many ways I believe. The point being, is that each party has their stations that make them "shine", but MTV is geared towards a much more uninformed audience who can be swayed to things as simple as "fashion trends";so my question is,what do you think will happen when you push partisan politics on these impressionable young people?
            you hit the nail on the head my friend

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              #66
              Originally posted by Nycxeracer
              As many of you know, I'm not in the business of spreading rumors. However, I recently found out today that there were apparently 4,050 votes in NH that were not counted. The votes, most in Kerry's favor still wouldn't have put him over Bush; but apparently there is more than one voting machine that malfunctioned, and they continue to count votes. Secondly, in OHIO, it appears there are quite a number of valid provisional ballots. They will be counting these for the next 11 days. Although, Kerry did conceed, apparently there is a law that allows him to sort of "petition" his own conceeding. It appears that if OHIO has enough votes, Kerry can win. I am not trying to spread rumors of a possible win for Kerry, but these are factual statements I have read in the Washington Post and saw on CNN today. They claim Bush will 99.9% still be President, but the gap was MUCH closer than they imagined. (This ofcourse will be proved when the counting ends).
              http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp.../us_vote_final

              it's over.. there's no way kerry's gona make it.
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