Homeland Security

[Shadow1]

1) Random searches are not "random" you are right. However, you point is also moot, because more than anything, "random searches" are a deterrent, not a prevention. You can argue it all you want, the fact is that people who are intending on doing wrong, are less likely to try and go through the security, if they know there is a greater chance that they will be searched.

kinda moot if you look at it. the terrorist that blow up these places arent scared to die. as long as they take out a few dozen people, they seem to think they got into heaven. so a so called "random search" aint gonna deter a man thats ready to die because he thinks he'll get 72 beautiful women to have sex with for the rest of eternity

[accordaffair]

The best solution is just hiring a person with good sense and not over managing them

not many people are sensible I find though

[owequitit]

kinda moot if you look at it. the terrorist that blow up these places arent scared to die. as long as they take out a few dozen people, they seem to think they got into heaven. so a so called "random search" aint gonna deter a man thats ready to die because he thinks he'll get 72 beautiful women to have sex with for the rest of eternity

It isn't moot. If they don't accomplish their mission, they don't go to heaven according to their beliefs. They aren't afraid to die, but they ARE afraid to die in vain. And the "random" searches make entrance onto the plane that much harder.

Besides, I hate to be realistic and caloused, but killing a couple dozen people in a terminal is better than killing a couple hundred people in a plane. Most Americans are absolutely stupid when it comes to risk assesment. There is no risk free proposition. There is ALWAYS a chance you are going to fail/die/get killed. No matter what you WANT to believe.

Are you just making baseless assumptions, because they SOUND reasonable, or do you actually have substance to what you are saying?

Also, the random searches ARE likely to deter people who would otherwise try to go through. Please read my original statement AGAIN, in its entirety, and understand it before trying to criticize it again, because I have already covered your "rebuttal" in my original post.

[Shadow1]

It isn't moot. If they don't accomplish their mission, they don't go to heaven according to their beliefs. They aren't afraid to die, but they ARE afraid to die in vain. And the "random" searches make entrance onto the plane that much harder.

Besides, I hate to be realistic and caloused, but killing a couple dozen people in a terminal is better than killing a couple hundred people in a plane. Most Americans are absolutely stupid when it comes to risk assesment. There is no risk free proposition. There is ALWAYS a chance you are going to fail/die/get killed. No matter what you WANT to believe.

Are you just making baseless assumptions, because they SOUND reasonable, or do you actually have substance to what you are saying?

Also, the random searches ARE likely to deter people who would otherwise try to go through. Please read my original statement AGAIN, in its entirety, and understand it before trying to criticize it again, because I have already covered your "rebuttal" in my original post.

lmao. naw. im not making baseless statements. nor was i criticizing your post. merely making convo. i wont criticize unless someone is being completely stupid.

i made a mistake in saying a couple dozen. rather being a couple hundred in the terminal. think about it. if they get in there at a time where its most packed, they could easily take out a hundred or 2. unless their "leader" tells them they HAVE to be on a plane. when i look at an airport i dont look at just the terminal. i think about the power of the explosive the terrorist is carrying. think about all the weapons the nations have now. bombs the size of a clothing bag could take out half a city. and im sure theres more than a couple hundred within half a city.

i try to look at everything at all angles tho. im never a closed minded person. and i did rear your entire post i dont skip over stuff in an intelligent conversation to look stupid 2 post down b/c i forgot something. lol. no harm tho

[Fake Thug]

I think random searches are extremely stupid, especially who they pick out. I was in line to get on the plane and they escorted an elderly woman out of line and searched the fuck out of her. That's uncalled for.

I hate how the punishment for every action is to ruin it for "everyone". When one person in an airport tries something stupid...everyone in the United States is punished for it by stricter security...it's bullshit. I understand why,...but it's bullshit. It's like high school "johnny didn't do this right, so now the whole class gets fucked for it"

I also feel like the United States has brought this upon itself. It's obvious that we're the world's premier super power, but we definitely poke our noses in everyone else's business. We have our value's and rules, as do other countries. We may not agree with their "way of life" but it doesn't give us the right to try and change them. I believe ever since the United States started playing baby sitter, lots of people have been pissed at us. It's not like we're just a target for no apparent reason, we bring his upon ourselves.

I like the United States for many reasons, but most of the time I'm disgusted with our policies and the way we handle situations. I still feel like we as a country have soo much to learn. In time with responsible and honest leadership, we'll be pointed in the right direction.

werd

[baracuda]

yeah...i dont want to get into this one some people on this forum kno whow i feel about this gov. im on the same page as accordaffair turn the tv off and learn about the truth about whats going on dont watch the news its all controlled and made to make you scared and it does a damn good job of it

[IAmTheNight]

1) Random searches are not "random" you are right. However, you point is also moot, because more than anything, "random searches" are a deterrent, not a prevention. You can argue it all you want, the fact is that people who are intending on doing wrong, are less likely to try and go through the security, if they know there is a greater chance that they will be searched.

Might not deter everyone, but realistically, if you deter some, that is better than not deterring any.

The REAL full screening comes in when you pass through the machines. They check every body, bag and suitcase that goes through. There are more machines on the airside baggage system that does the same for your checked luggage.

Truthfully, they were doing it to international luggage long before Sept 11th, but our wonderful reactionary government didn't want to put up the cash to buy the machines for every bag, because the people would have complained about it. The airports and the people responsible for such things knew it was a risk long before it happened. It was a wonderful hole in our facade of safety. We APPEAR to be safe, so we must be, right? It is called a false sense of security, and it is nothing new in the US. Now with all the focus on airplanes, do you suppose we are just as secure with highways, rail lines and ships? I know what my guess would be.

2) "Ruin if for everyone." That is the outcome of a reactionary response. It is just like high school because in many social constructs, the real world is just like High School. Someone does something they should have and to prevent it from occuring again, they prohibit it for everyone else. Do you have a better solution?

It's about time someone figured out what's going on here. Conservatives have merely used terrorism as a tool to gain power in America, and we all bought their propaganda. These airport security measures may protect us somewhat, but all it really does is help install a foundation for fascism in America and put a bandage on a much bigger problem. The terrorists aren't winning; that's just Bushtalk.

[baracuda]

It's about time someone figured out what's going on here. Conservatives have merely used terrorism as a tool to gain power in America, and we all bought their propaganda. These airport security measures may protect us somewhat, but all it really does is help install a foundation for fascism in America and put a bandage on a much bigger problem. The terrorists aren't winning; that's just Bushtalk.

ding ding ding we have a winner its the same shit thats been going on before any of us were born there have been many bills, policies ,wars ,conflicts and too many deaths to count all for the name of power and control its fucking horrible how humans could do this to each other

[Dr.x]

isnt they're a quote saying those who give up freedoms for some security deserve neither?

[coletrain]

werd

thankyou

[sackingz123]

terrorism is always an excuse they use. their taking ppl's rights it seems but they have to ensure safety. i defintly understand op's point but u gotta get used to it.

[owequitit]

lmao. naw. im not making baseless statements. nor was i criticizing your post. merely making convo. i wont criticize unless someone is being completely stupid.

i made a mistake in saying a couple dozen. rather being a couple hundred in the terminal. think about it. if they get in there at a time where its most packed, they could easily take out a hundred or 2. unless their "leader" tells them they HAVE to be on a plane. when i look at an airport i dont look at just the terminal. i think about the power of the explosive the terrorist is carrying. think about all the weapons the nations have now. bombs the size of a clothing bag could take out half a city. and im sure theres more than a couple hundred within half a city.

i try to look at everything at all angles tho. im never a closed minded person. and i did rear your entire post i dont skip over stuff in an intelligent conversation to look stupid 2 post down b/c i forgot something. lol. no harm tho

There are just too many variables. All you can do is make it as difficult for them as possible. 100 small things, each of which aren't very effective, might be effective when all employeed together, even though you can't understand how, unless you are intimate with the "big picture." Random searches are effective for several reasons, but most of them are for deterrent purposes. Don't forget, that in the wake of something like Sept 11th, you also get the ones that aren't "terrorists" in the normal context of the word, but think that maybe they can get through to do harm. The guy with the bombs in his shoes (the reason you have to take them off now) and the guy who had the chemicals in his carry on (the reason their are restrictions on fluids now). The "random" searches have probably found countless other threats.

[owequitit]

It's about time someone figured out what's going on here. Conservatives have merely used terrorism as a tool to gain power in America, and we all bought their propaganda. These airport security measures may protect us somewhat, but all it really does is help install a foundation for fascism in America and put a bandage on a much bigger problem. The terrorists aren't winning; that's just Bushtalk.

I would recommend not trying to draw this on party lines, because for every "conservative" thing you can throw out there, I can come up with 5 "liberal" things right off the top of my head.

For instance. If a certain "liberal" President had done his job 16 years ago, September 11th never would have happened. You sure you want to go down this route?

I don't draw lines politically, and you are doing yourself a huge disservice if you do. I draw lines through reality, based on how things work. Both parties, and those who support them are all equally guilty.

[sackingz123]

For instance. If a certain "liberal" President had done his job 16 years ago, September 11th never would have happened. You sure you want to go down this route?

regan? its the same ppl that the US goverment helped out to fight the soviets then blacklashed out us. what coulda of regan done?

[IAmTheNight]

I would recommend not trying to draw this on party lines, because for every "conservative" thing you can throw out there, I can come up with 5 "liberal" things right off the top of my head.

For instance. If a certain "liberal" President had done his job 16 years ago, September 11th never would have happened. You sure you want to go down this route?

I don't draw lines politically, and you are doing yourself a huge disservice if you do. I draw lines through reality, based on how things work. Both parties, and those who support them are all equally guilty.

If you wish to have a civilized political debate, I would not mind participating. By liberal president, I assume you mean Clinton. What job did he not do?