i bought a pistol

[Ralphie]

Oh and for the Scott(owequitit) haters,
"He may not always be right, but he's never wrong".

Chew on that ya fluffy turds.

[alifeva]

bwhahahah



Oh right, that's exactly like being in the middle of a gun fight in iraq

My friend, It's more combat than you've ever seen. I don't have to point out that knives were involved. Nonetheless scary at 17 and a gun would have been justifiable had I been 21. And the fight afterwards was tooth and nail. It lasted 7 minutes and I threw up afterwards. We're not talking a 1 min scuffle and friends break it up (thats high school). We're talking punch each other out until you cant lift your arms. I think I would be pretty good on the battlefield but your right until I experience it I shouldn't talk about it but I am just saying some ppl think they are sources of information I am saying thats a not a good bibliography and if I were the teacher I would not accept it.

You as well as mchaley attack my opinionated posts. I accept the critique as always (this is not ur first time r33) but please don't feel threatened by me. I am not as cool or good looking as you would think. I am in the middle. I am a nerd and like spending my time with a computer just like you. We are on the same team. Please don't feel inferior and the need to put me down. We can debate like gentlemen rather than point fingers and laugh to attempt to get superiority. Its very high school. And at my age that doesn't fly anymore.

[Law Grandeur]

Valid argument.

And I believe most of this is based on opinion. If someone has bad experiences and feels the need to carry a weapon, they have a valid reason for doing so. I can see where both sides are coming from.

they should carry a bowie then. nice long distance and perfect for scaring away those unwanted pocket knife thieves. OR after a gunman robs you and starts running, you can throw the bowie at him/her. that would be great! rofl



I should walk down the street with a katana in its sheath. i need protection too

[SteveB]

3) The ONLY reason Canada has fewer total gun crimes is because you have fewer total people. I would be willing to bet that on a % basis it is actually very similar to us, despite your additional control. So if your per capita gun problem is the same as ours, how does that make a case for you additional control?

Well, what is the homicide rate in the US and Canada?

[Maple50175]

how long until the "i shot someone by accident" thread?

where ya been man!

[Law Grandeur]

http://www.benbest.com/lifeext/murder.html

[owequitit]

What about it? It was fun....The girls were soft and tight. Still doesn't change the fact that Sunday I turn 21. Monday I will buy a gun.


But you read it. Thats all that counts. Point was to direct attention off of Dave and bring it towards me. Guy has had a hard week and to come here and share it, and then some members to crucify him for no reason.

No, actually I didn't. I skimmed it, realized it was a waste of time, and then moved on.

You haven't really diverted anything away from Dave, because you were attempting to draw the attention of a part of the conversation that was already drawing the heat away from Dave. Way to observe.

[71_307]

Wrong.

Even if you train people, shit will still happen. In order to gain a correct perspective on the situation, you need to look at the % of gun accidents in relation to the total sample (the WHOLE country) or more importantly, all gun owners (which are WAAAAAY up in the millions. But if you did that, You would see how silly your case is.

Also, please define "competence" for me, because "negligence" and "incompetence" do NOT mean the same thing.

Negligence occurs everyday in the hands of competent people. Why? Because people make mistakes. Would you say that an airline pilot who has THOUSANDS of hours operating an airplane commercially who crashes because he made a mistake is incompetent? Probably not. Negligent, perhaps, considering the circumstances. Here is the problem I have with your statement. You make the claim as though a few hours of training, or making it harder to get a permit is suddenly going to make everyone a professional, and eliminate "negligence." It won't, and here is why:

1) A few hours of training on how to handle a gun may help marginally. The fact is that most people that own guns have grown up around them, and or learned from someone who has.

Most accidents are the result of not paying 100% attention, getting sidetracked, or just plain making a stupid mistake. Is training going to eliminate that? Nope.

2) You still have this attitude that we have no gun control. You are making baseless assumptions about a system you obviously know nothing about. Felons can't own weapons. You can't buy a handgun if you are under 21. You can't get a license to carry a concealed weapon unless you jump through a bunch of hoops. And they are so willing to give them away that you get rejected if the INK COLOR ISN'T BLACK! Hell, they are practically handing out guns on every street corner.

3) The ONLY reason Canada has fewer total gun crimes is because you have fewer total people. I would be willing to bet that on a % basis it is actually very similar to us, despite your additional control. So if your per capita gun problem is the same as ours, how does that make a case for you additional control?

this is very wronge, also where do you think these guns come from?

[Law Grandeur]

actually that does sound sorta wrong. im pretty damn sure costa rica has a lot more guns than canada does and it has a lower population lol. just an example

[Pandemic]

Ok, yeah we have similar views. I'm annoyed with this post. Now I will go through and underline all of the nonsense BS that I was picking on:

the same way you all feel justified in your opinions which are far from facts of LIFE (you know reality) is the same way people feel justified in using they're guns. you try and defend your opinions with Law and Doctrines and what is legal and or illegal...we are talking about guns here. War is defined by several words but most of all: chaos. As much as we try to privatize our military and try to follow the book...it goes nowhere. do you know the civilian death toll in Iraq? even the marines will tell you how hard it is to identify a target with your eyes and then authorize force. If I've learned anything growing up is that even the government does not play by their own rules. It's not a crime if you don't get caught. The good men who play it by the book and pay their taxes get walked all over in life. There are few of them left but our countries best men died in WW1 and WW2. We now have a bunch of spoiled kids whom all know the meaning of life.

It is every mans right to carry a gun simply because this is the world we live in. It does not make it right but what do you want? theres no second chance in life. If Dave wants a gun let the kid get a gun. In all honesty I don't think your posts will make any difference to him or change his mind. So if your going to help...You think your helping by promoting abstinence, your really not changing a damn thing... Hes been in a life or death situation, its not a good feeling. The kid is not a felon or mentally unstable so without those two exceptions. everyone including irresponsible people can and do own guns. but like i said theres only one chance in life what you do with it is with your sole discretion. Make sure you don't mess up.

Anyways my point is I'd listen to the opinion on Guns of a 12 year old Somalian kid before I listen to you all. LOL All the gun permits, and range visits, hunting trips, will never give you the real experience of combat.

They say sex is the best feeling ever when your giving life. Well the Spartans believed taking a life was the same feeling. And some would get a hard on while driving a spear through a man. Haha this is the world we live in. My words might hurt but this is life and life is harsh thats why you feel the way you do when i speak the truth. Society and America tries to cover up Chechnya, Africa, Burma with MTV and Golbal marketing advertisements. Big business thinks we are all consumers. WE are all name and numbers in they're eyes. We are not lives. Individuals. WE MUST fight for our freedom!

We all have a shadow. The darkness is within us all. We are born to die. Humanity is doomed. We are born to fight.

Ever since the beginning when Kane killed his brother Abel.

I don't know about you all but I own a bullet proof mask (ebay), a bullet proof vest (ebay), a m24a1 gas mask, i have a pair of BDU's custom sewed with kevlar, carbon fiber fabric on the inside of the trousers and jacket (mainly for shrapnel), and soon will have my first gun come Monday.

You think Dave is wrong for buying a gun? please direct your outrage towards ME. Look at what I have bought. I do not plan on ever having to use all my stuff but I think my life is worth the investment of 1000 - 2000 dollars to ensure survival. And if not me my children or my grand children can wear it if the need arises. If you want things done you can only rely on yourself. Not Government or police. When the bullets are flying the animal instinct turns on.

In the old days all a man had was his sword and his armor. and whatever he could carry on his back. Well I plan on living the life of a Samurai. A SAMURAI OF GOD! *sun beam shines through my window* , ,

Everything that I've underlined makes you look like a complete nut. I have not changed my position. I keep saying the same things consistently. You agree with me, great. I'm annoyed that you made me read all of that slop that I underlined. Combat? Yeah you've been in some hairy situations. That is not combat. That's a street fight. Never compare yourself to a soldier unless you are one. It shows great disrespect for the people who are stepping up to the plate to die for what they believe in. That, my friend, is why I was picking on you. As I said before, I'm not trying to make enemies. I'm stating my positions and defending those who share a similar view. I've never had a problem with you so I dont know where you're coming up with me being critical.

[Pandemic]

this is very wronge, also where do you think these guns come from?

Guns are stolen. Sometimes, granted, they're imported/exported illegally. Most illegal guns are STOLEN. Canada can not blame the US for their gun violence. Look at Detroit. Murder capital USA at times with hundreds of murders. Right across the lake, Windsor - 5 murders is a record*.




*idk what the real murder rate is in Windsor but I do know it's way less than Detroit.

[Pandemic]

^ You really have to read my posts in completion, your making no sense. you always find a way to disagree with me but you don't even read my posts, this isn't the first time (i guess when you make up your mind to not like someone you stick with it, very narrow minded).

I just checked your post above my large one. Everything you said...Look what you yourself typed! Thats the way I think! Maybe you were being sarcastic or not thinking that but you sure as hell typed it! And that is how my mindset is! I actually agree with that posts above my large one to the fullest! LOL

I said that you probably would not have to use a gun unless North Korea or Iran invaded us or any of my body armor stuff but its best to invest in that stuff because you only live once and its best to be prepared for the worst. And then you attack me for my body armor!! After you yourself said its best to be prepared.

Your going to give me a heart attack here Mchaley, your going wall to wall like a female. I better move on to the next person, no more replying to you today. Thank you for your comments and concern.

There you go Mchaley spark notes of what I wrote. You see we have more in common than you realize....

I read the entire thing. That's why I'm disagreeing with you. A bullet proof mask is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of. You got ripped off on that. It's called a helmet. A god damn mask will not shield you from blunt trauma. That is what will kill you if the bullet does not penetrate. Furthermore, vests from ebay are questionable. Do you have the plates? Do you know what level the vest is?

Shit, man, we have similar views and we're arguing because you're talking nonsense. There's being prepared, ok. I've thought about a vest before too. But carbon fiber in your pants for fragments? WTF man. Iran and North Korea are NEVER going to invade. Shit, Mexico will never invade. Anyone who owns a firearm to keep the enemy at bay should have their firearms taken away and be given a slap in the face. We have the best military in the world. Jim Bob down the road will never match the firepower of a US soldier.

Firearms for sport, recreation, etc, great. Firearms for self defense, I'm there with you. Firearms to fight the invading enemy, get yourself on medication.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

[71_307]

Guns are stolen. Sometimes, granted, they're imported/exported illegally. Most illegal guns are STOLEN. Canada can not blame the US for their gun violence. Look at Detroit. Murder capital USA at times with hundreds of murders. Right across the lake, Windsor - 5 murders is a record*.




*idk what the real murder rate is in Windsor but I do know it's way less than Detroit.

I was implying that they are mostly illegal US guns.

[Pandemic]

Well, what is the homicide rate in the US and Canada?

That doesn't mean dick.

TEN WORST LARGE CITIES FOR MURDER, 2002
CITY

PER 100,000
(1) Washington, DC 45.8

Until very recently, it was ILLEGAL to own a hand gun in Washington DC.



PROVINCES AND TERRITORIES RANKED BY HOMICIDE RATE, 2003
PROVINCE/TERRITORY

PER 100,000
(1) Nunavut 10.21
(2) Northwest Territories 9.55
(3) Saskatchewan 4.12
(4) Manitoba 3.70
(5) Yukon 3.22
(6) British Columbia 2.24
(7) Alberta 2.00
(8) Ontario 1.45

The largest % of Canadian population lives in Ontario




Homicide rate between US and Canada *assuming sources are correct:

Homicide statistics for Canada can be found at the Statistics Canada website. The nation-wide average for 2003 was 1.73 homicides per 100,000.

Nation-wide average for 2003 was 5.7 in the US per 100,000.

3x higher. But wait...

Total US population in 2003 was 290,809,777.
Total Canadian population in 2003 was 31,510,000.

In 2003, the US had 9.23 times more people. At the same time, the US had 3.29 times more murders. 9x more people and only 3x more murders? Go figure.
Statistics are skewed.

[Pandemic]

I was implying that they are mostly illegal US guns.

Yeah, you're probably right. It'd be just as easy to steal from gun owners in Canada though.