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**Makaveli2k** · 05-07-2008, 11:09 PM

All I can say is some people deserve it... Firing 50 shots at 1 unarmed person on the other hand is just crazy though.

I think they got what they deserved, if you kill a police officer and fire into a crowd of innocent bystanders than somebody needs to sodomize you with a night stick to keep you in check.

**MadSpleen85** · 05-07-2008, 11:21 PM

It's really hard to tell how well the three suspects were cooperating with the orders of the officers. Was this a pursuit or did there just happen to be a news helicopter and half of the Police force?

If these are the suspects for the shooting death of a Police Officer a couple days earlier then they knew that they were not in for a pat on the back when they were caught by Police.

All three of the suspects were on bail for unrelated crimes at the time. In some jurisdictions being out on bail is all the probable cause that a Police officer needs to stop a vehicle. Also in some jurisdictions if you are out on bail you are not allowed to do much of anything with anyone else that is out on bail.

I would be interested to see the dash cam video, I am sure that is much easier to see what is going on then an overview of the scene. From that helicopters video you can not tell whether or not the suspects are saying or doing anything to the officers that are trying to arrest them. For all I can see in this video, the suspects could all be laying with their arms to their sides not letting the officers put them in handcuffs.

The Police do seem to stop kicking and hitting as soon as the handcuffs are on, so it appears to me, from this angle, that the suspects were doing something that kept the officers from getting the handcuffs on sooner.

**Makaveli2k** · 05-07-2008, 11:32 PM

^^ I think there would be other ways of making suspects comply ie. nightstick to pressure points etc. Maybe Tasers depending on if the cops are carrying it.

They shot at a crowd innocents.. thats not right to danger others,, at least go for the one you intended to shoot without endangering others, also killed a police officer(I doubt he was crooked but who knows?) If it were up to me homeboys would be in going to the slammer, and would be sharing a jail cell with the biggest blackest hasn't touched a woman in 20 years mo fucka!

No vaceline!!!

**mappyCB7** · 05-07-2008, 11:36 PM

shit what happened to the integrity??

**mozzandherb** · 05-08-2008, 12:20 AM

O.K so lets get this established. As we know these things happen around the world everyday and there has been several threads on police abuse or how the police do their jobs that have floated around this forum. And I agree that these subjects are good one's to discuss, but I also said in a different context...like a classroom. The thing is, here on the world wide web, there will be people who will strongly agree or disagree and people will start insulting the police and eachother, which is not was this place is for.

So for this thread to continue (so far so good) it has to remain civilized, or else it will be locked and I am giving fair warning that if there is any flaming there will be consequences.

**WilliamW** · 05-08-2008, 02:23 AM

Reading through some of the relating news casts it's a bit unnerving. I myself have family working in the State Highway Patrol (MO) and I've always seen him as very calm and level headed, even a joker.

http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news...ook_good_.html

Here they talk a bit more about the incident. Reading through it some things just don't sit well with me.

Charles H. Ramsey is the police commissioner and his statements don't really seem to add up (to me).

"Ramsey said that officers are expected to conduct themselves professionally, but that the department is going through a "difficult period of time," mentioning that Liczbinski's funeral on Friday "looms over our heads."

"We have officers across the city that feel the impact of the murder of Sergeant Liczbinski," Ramsey said. "[But] we don't lower our standards simply because of the emotional state we're all in right now."

Are they excusing the LACK of professionalism due to the "emotional state" their in? IS this OK? I'm leaning towards no personally.

Don't get me wrong, I believe that to be a police officer takes a LOT! And one of those things it takes is to be able to control your emotions in the critical situations. Things will happen and life goes on.

I think that when people forget this and make irrational decisions things get out of hand very quickly and end up.... well, on the news.

I hope the police force can settle things out and come back to their standings of professionalism.

**ACC0RD22** · 05-08-2008, 02:45 AM

Originally posted by WilliamW

Reading through some of the relating news casts it's a bit unnerving. I myself have family working in the State Highway Patrol (MO) and I've always seen him as very calm and level headed, even a joker.

http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news...ook_good_.html

Here they talk a bit more about the incident. Reading through it some things just don't sit well with me.

Charles H. Ramsey is the police commissioner and his statements don't really seem to add up (to me).

"Ramsey said that officers are expected to conduct themselves professionally, but that the department is going through a "difficult period of time," mentioning that Liczbinski's funeral on Friday "looms over our heads."

"We have officers across the city that feel the impact of the murder of Sergeant Liczbinski," Ramsey said. "[But] we don't lower our standards simply because of the emotional state we're all in right now."

Are they excusing the LACK of professionalism due to the "emotional state" their in? IS this OK? I'm leaning towards no personally.

Don't get me wrong, I believe that to be a police officer takes a LOT! And one of those things it takes is to be able to control your emotions in the critical situations. Things will happen and life goes on.

I think that when people forget this and make irrational decisions things get out of hand very quickly and end up.... well, on the news.

I hope the police force can settle things out and come back to their standings of professionalism.

The officers were dismissed, so it doesnt sound like theyre excusing anything because of anything.

**slammed4thgen** · 05-08-2008, 04:39 AM

philly is a madhouse right now

cops are being hunted down like animals in some areas

of course there will be emotion, when you see a life taken for no reason you tend to get emotional

not to mention philly has begged for fed support due to these recent outbreaks in society and they have gotten nothing until now. once something like this happens then its the top news story? lmao fuck those guys why werent the random shootings and the cop hunting stories all over cnn and nbc? because no one give a shit until its racial

get some balls guys, sooner or later this political correct shit is going to shoot us in the foot. we need to take action on this bs and stop trying to hide from it.

p.s. i love that swat teams are cruising the streets knocking down doors of these suspects! dont hold there hand, kick down the doors and haul these bastards off! black or white yellow or brown your punk ass is going downtown!

**deevergote** · 05-08-2008, 07:43 AM

I was in the city when the cop got shot last weekend... 12 cop cars flew past me in 2 minutes on 95.

I'd need to know more of the story before I could say if they were right or wrong. If I knew those guys were associated with the dude that killed my buddy, I'd be right there beating them too. SHOULD they do that? No. Not from a professional standpoint... Is it excusable? Not really. Is it understandable? Sure.

Of course, these guys are gong to get off because of this, even if they ARE the ones that participated in the shooting... They'll be back on the streets with guns and a hefty lawsuit... and smiles on their faces because they stuck it to the man and got away with it.

I wouldn't want to be a cop in philly right now. It's true, they seem to be being hunted at the moment!

**Shadow1** · 05-08-2008, 08:25 AM

it matter not what happened. no cop PERIOD should ever beat a suspect liek that unless their life is in danger. those guys were on the ground getting kicked by more than 4 or 5 officers. if he would have fount back they would have shot him. its crap like this that gets those guys in Philly to hunt down cops.

whats gonna happen when those guys see that tape? they're going to find out thru all their connections and find out those cops that did that and kill them.

why dont people understand? that precinct cant come up with any excuse logical enough to explain what happened there. none. period. your a cop. your supposed to be able to conduct yourself better then the public your protecting. everyone of those cops should be fired. no questions asked. you beat a suspect because he killed your friend? get over it. your a cop and thats the line of work YOU decided to take on. YOU knew the ricks and YOU decided to go and do it anyway.

deev. if that was a friend and i WASNT a cop then yeah sure i would have beat him up. but doing what those cops did is inexcusable. just like ricers give up tuners and import enthusiast a bad name, those cops and others who beat on suspects(for any other reason than protecting their own person, partner, or public.) give all cops a bad name.

seeing stuff like this makes me hate cops even more. what if i get pulled by a cop whos emotionally disturbed? do i have to deal with him beating on me? i shouldnt even have to deal with that fear. its a cop. he's supposed to conduct himself accordingly. period.

**cb7wagonPL** · 05-08-2008, 10:54 AM

a lot of good points have been made in the thread. if you think about it the cops are outgunned in many ways. look at the weapons that are being confiscated and used. for example in the recent shooting in philly they used a chinese assault riffle. the guns cops have are a joke against something like that. i see the cops being emotional about loosing someone from the force and afraid at the same time BUT being police officers they still need to remain as professional as possible and not loose their heads and beat someone like in the video. you dont need 14 cops to arrest 3 suspects. also, why didnt they use a stunt gun if they resisted arrest?

**alb_accord** · 05-08-2008, 04:58 PM

the video that i posted has nothing to do with the cop that got shot.....

in the video the guys being kicked by the cops were suspects in a shooting that happen about 10 min before the cops catch the guys.( someone from that car shot 3 people and ran away) ...so the cops didn't know what guns the guys had or if they were ready to use..... if someone is in the heat of a killing, he don't care who approaches, whether you are a cop or not....
so that is why they had to be that rough with them....and to tell you the truth i do not condemn their actions

**Shadow1** · 05-08-2008, 11:58 PM

Originally posted by alb_accord

the video that i posted has nothing to do with the cop that got shot.....

in the video the guys being kicked by the cops were suspects in a shooting that happen about 10 min before the cops catch the guys.( someone from that car shot 3 people and ran away) ...so the cops didn't know what guns the guys had or if they were ready to use..... if someone is in the heat of a killing, he don't care who approaches, whether you are a cop or not....
so that is why they had to be that rough with them....and to tell you the truth i do not condemn their actions

had too be that rough? did you see that cop who continually beat that guy with a nightstick? how is that needed? in no way possible is that excusable. they had almost 10-15 cops out there. against 3 guys. they were covered.

they pulled those guys out of the car and beat them. they didnt arrest them and put them in the car like they were supposed to. they BEAT. no ifs, and,s or buts about it. they didnt need to be beat. once a cop pulls you out the car your done. they beat them. period. no excuse. the beating was in no way shape or form needed.

**Fzzy285** · 05-09-2008, 12:27 AM

did anyone else notice several officers, who switched people, to go beat one of the others?

yeah, this is a good example of police brutality.

i think i counted 18 cops, to 3 bad guys. 6:1

this is what tazers are for, this shit is rediculous

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