Ahhhhnold!

[usc]

uncle el: so say if G.W. decides to raise money for vietnam2 because he doesn't want to go through congress, he can just propose and sign into law that we pay 300% increase on our income tax?

that's the general feeling.

in actuality, the whole vehicle licensing fee is unconstitutional to begin with. you buy a car, like you buy a computer. it uses gasoline that you pay. state taxes already goes to roads. vehicle registration fee doesn't go into transportation (for road improvement, etc...) so why tax cars? why stop there? why not tax the computer, clothes, everything else we buy annually because we own it?

but back to increasing the tax. davis signs the increase completely bypassing the legislature. only reason the legislature isn't crying foul is because everyone's in politics is too scared to try and tackle the deficit problem. finger pointing. it's someone else's problem. stupid politicians.

[Clemson90Accord]

I being a Christian myself am offended by your comment fizzbob7. What is wrong with Christian values. I think that religion is a good thing to consider when the candidate is being true about what he believes and is not just putting on a show to get elected. I do agree that one should vote for a person based on how one feels about political issues. You shouldn't just vote for someone based on if they are republican or democrat or Christian or black or white or pink. You should look into the persons previous political work and see how they have handled issues. Also look at what their policies are for their campaign. It is not the whole of Christians fault because your last gov didn't stick to his promises. I wish that people wouldn't blame a whole group because of one person. It is like saying all dogs are mean because you got bit by one when you were a child. I am not saying that I or any other Christian is perfect or close to but the values that Christianity teaches are good and a lot of what our country is based on. So don't be so quick to judge.
I am not trying to lecture you, just trying to get you to lighten up. No offense. I agree with some of your points but like I said it is not Christianity's fault. I'm not mad at you, just kinda hurt. But that is ok. Not everyone sees things the same way.

[uncle_el]

Originally posted by usc
uncle el: so say if G.W. decides to raise money for vietnam2 because he doesn't want to go through congress, he can just propose and sign into law that we pay 300% increase on our income tax?

that's the general feeling.

in actuality, the whole vehicle licensing fee is unconstitutional to begin with. you buy a car, like you buy a computer. it uses gasoline that you pay. state taxes already goes to roads. vehicle registration fee doesn't go into transportation (for road improvement, etc...) so why tax cars? why stop there? why not tax the computer, clothes, everything else we buy annually because we own it?

but back to increasing the tax. davis signs the increase completely bypassing the legislature. only reason the legislature isn't crying foul is because everyone's in politics is too scared to try and tackle the deficit problem. finger pointing. it's someone else's problem. stupid politicians.

hmm... interesting take on it. hadn't thought of it like that. i guess i was thinking that he increased a fee that was already being charged to the people; almost as if your cable company or internet provider just decided to raise the monthly fee overnight.

while i understand the basic principle of no taxation w/o representation, i'm unsure of the specifics and if what gray davis did was actually illegal and/or unconstitutional. i can admit that what he did was foul, even though he thought he was finding a solution. but i'm just not sure of the letter of the law (or lack thereof).

[usc]

to allow 1 person the ability to financially burden a population by raising an existing tax by 300% (or any other figure) itself should be illegal, if not already. the initial car tax was agreed upon a specific percentage and should, therefore, remain. any changes/adjustments to be made should require another vote of the majority.

if the people already detest when the state sales tax goes up 0.25%, i'm surprised there hasn't been any rioting from this 300% increase. perhaps people channeled that anger towards recalling that stupid sob. yay, freed from the shackles of stupidity of davis.

[Lithium92]

at least he's no girrrly man

[nirvoUSAccord]

Originally posted by Lithium92
at least he's no girrrly man

very good point mike. i'd like to see him and jesse ventura go at it, i would pick arnold though, mr. universe cannot be beaten .

in response to what you said clemsonaccord, i dont think that religion should play a part in politics. the founders of the constitution were religious, yes, and the constitution along with other american symbols (pledge of allegience, us currency) refer to god or a form of higher power, but elections have to do with electing the BEST MAN FOR THE JOB, the most capable, not if he believes in god or goes to church every sunday and repents for his sins. i myself am not religious as you can already probably tell, and i think arnold does a good job of keeping religion for the most part out of it. he said when people were voting 'the rest was up to god' which i took no offense to and was the right thing to say. but what i dont like is people looking down on a qualified candidate just because hes not religious....we can do just as good of job, if not better

[Accordchick90]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Clemson90Accord
"...I think that religion is a good thing to consider when the candidate is being true about what he believes and is not just putting on a show to get elected. I do agree that one should vote for a person based on how one feels about political issues. You shouldn't just vote for someone based on if they are republican or democrat or Christian or black or white or pink. You should look into the persons previous political work and see how they have handled issues. Also look at what their policies are for their campaign...."

In Clemson90Accord's defense, He was not saying to vote for a man (or woman) based on their religous values, he just thinks its a good thing to consider (in terms of himself). I do the same thing but that doesn't mean you have to. You have free will that's what makes this country great!

[nirvoUSAccord]

Originally posted by Accordchick90
In Clemson90Accord's defense, He was not saying to vote for a man (or woman) based on their religous values, he just thinks its a good thing to consider (in terms of himself). I do the same thing but that doesn't mean you have to. You have free will that's what makes this country great!

thats a good point, and i respect it, but i think people put a little too much emphasis on it

[Clemson90Accord]

No offense but did you read my whole post? "I do agree that one should vote for a person based on how one feels about political issues. You shouldn't just vote for someone based on if they are republican or democrat or Christian or black or white or pink." I don't think that someone should vote on someone just because they are religious, or republican or democrat, or because they are a celebrity. One should vote for the best man in his/her own eyes. Christian values are an important thing in my opinion. When a politician lays out his campaign I want the man who has the most values that match my own whether or not he is Christian. If I feel that a Christian politician is going against something I believe in I would not vote for him. At the same time I would not vote for a non-Christian politician if he had the same policy. Also, a lot of the basics of our society are based on Christianity. Do not steal, do not kill, etc. So how are the basics of our culture not related to politics and voting? Please enlighten me.
I hope that you don't take my views the wrong way. I just want you to know how I feel. No hard feelings bro.

Proverbs 17:17

[Clemson90Accord]

Fizzbob,

I am not trying to say anyone is a bad person. I would like to think that all people are good and for the most part they are. Like ya said their are some wierdos out there but the majority are ok.
By the way I was offended about when you said "damn christians and their values" even if it was a joke. But no hard feelings.

I never said that I would vote for someone just because they are Christian. The values that Christianity teach are important to me and whosoever displays those characteristics best so be it. You are right. People are fake. When it comes down to it all people are fake. We can never live up to the glory of God. I'm sad to see that you and some others don't believe in God, but that is ok. I know that there is always room for change. Maybe you will think differently in the future, but if not that is ok.
I didn't intend to preach to everyone . I'm not saying that you are evil people if you don't go to church. If you don't want to don't. If someone invites you, they are not trying to add to the collection plate(well some might be ). Try it out. What can it hurt. Not all churches are just about attendance, money, and meaningless lipservice to God. Even if Christianity wasn't popular in the future I would still be praising my Lord and savior.
I just stated my opinion and you all stated yours. Plain and simple. I realize that some of you guys feel that religion plays no part in the political/voting process but I do. I'm entitled to that, right? Anyway, I hope that this whole debate will not tear apart the relations between all of us. That would suck.
All of you here at CB7 are in my prayers. Not because I think that you need to see things my way. You are all in my prayers because things happen. I wouldn't want anything to happen to any of you. That goes for any person. That would be awfull!!!
Just want everyone to know that I care about you all like you are brothers and sisters. I hope that you guys feel the same way.

[uncle_el]

Originally posted by usc
to allow 1 person the ability to financially burden a population by raising an existing tax by 300% (or any other figure) itself should be illegal, if not already. the initial car tax was agreed upon a specific percentage and should, therefore, remain. any changes/adjustments to be made should require another vote of the majority.

if the people already detest when the state sales tax goes up 0.25%, i'm surprised there hasn't been any rioting from this 300% increase. perhaps people channeled that anger towards recalling that stupid sob. yay, freed from the shackles of stupidity of davis.

you my friend, have shown me the light! i was just unclear on some things i guess.

[Accordchick90]

Originally posted by fizzbob7
that sounds so fake to me......the last guy i knew who spoke that way is now in a psychiatric institute for killing his grandmother......to me, it's just not natural....i'm skeptical of people like that....they live a life that is fake and unhappy from the start, all because they're scared to question "the word".....sorry, but it's creepy....

Don't be so quick to judge someone. When I first got on this sight my first thought was "wow, these people are really nice and everyone's into cars and no one really judges anyone." I guess I'm the one that judged too quickly . Everyone is all the same. Judgemental! Even this website. Peace out.

[Accordchick90]

I appreciate your honesty. and in a way I can see where you are coming from, but I have a point too so I guess we'll agree to disagree!

[Clemson90Accord]

Why do I sound so fake to you. and how am I at all related to your friend who is in the psych hospital. You think I'm a psycho for telling you how I feel. What did I say? I have a wonderful life. I don't question the word because it is from God. Besides what is there to question. Are you in question about something in the word yourself and think that I will automatically have questions too?
Do you think all Christians are like your friend who killed his grandmother. There was something wrong with your friend. No offense. I can assure you that I am not psycho.
Does something I have said in previous posts bother you?

[Accordchick90]

Agreed. Yeah, that is the thing I don't like about boards. It is so hard to get across true expression. I will pray for you and your good luck is appreciated. later.