H22 Vs H23

[blackedout]

Hey guys wich one do you prefer?? I am really considering an H23 because its only $1k and the H22 is close to $2,300.00.. Plus i wouldn't have to add any wire right?? being i don't have V-Tec, i could be wrong but am i right?? Also you can boost an H23 fairly easy can't you?

Let me know what i should do guys..

[wed3k]

well, you can boost a h22 fairly easily but tuning would be harder...so ive heard.

[JDMcb7]

ohh wow...you really need to search. If you are paying 2,300 for an h22 I hope that is shipped.

There are TONS of threads on this kind of thing, checked out the Swaps forum yet?

[d112crzy]

i prefer the h23, reasons being:

1) i'm not a big fan of vtec, and i am a loyal member to nonvtec.com, lol

2) its cheaper

3) for the money an H22 costs, I can get an H23, swap it in, and buy/make mods that will get me hanging with h22's.

4) you can still use the dsm turbo mani with the h23 w/o having to mess around with it too much, just redrilling the mounting holes, like you would anyways.

5) i like lower cr

6) im not too sure on this one, but I think that the sleeves on the H23 arent as *** as the ones in the h22, but I could be wrong, which i probably am.

but yea, i would choose h23 over h22 anyday, unless they were both free, then i would choose the h22, lol, but just cuz its faster.

-Jose

[JDMcb7]

6) im not too sure on this one, but I think that the sleeves on the H23 arent as *** as the ones in the h22

-Jose

You are correct

[d112crzy]

on which part?lol, that they are better than the h22 sleeves, or that i am wrong about my thought?
lol

-jose

[i'm the girl]

this is exaclty what i put on your similar thread in the swaps subforum:

if you want to boost - go F22b - you're gonna pay as much as a grand less for it, and Vtec, imho isn't worth an extra grand - especially when you consider the fact that you can do what vtec does in essence, through other means - and i dont mean "there are other ways to open your valves longer," well there are, but im saying the end result of vtec is to allow more fuel/ air ito the cylinders for extra push when you need it... well there are other ways, like through ECU programming, to accomplish that same goal...

it's also a direct swap into our cars, plus the F-block is a better platform for turbo, seeing as though youre talking about boosting - AND when it comes to things like headers, intakes, and those sorts of external upgrades, you can still use H22 pieces, which is great since there's a better aftermarket for the H22 when it comes to performance upgrades - yes you start with a little less HP out the box on an F22b, but there are easy ways to regain that ground -

Honestly, the H22 is great for "out the box" comfort, but if you're serious about building, i'd stick with the F-series

And Yes, i am partial, but that's a result of painful amounts of research. Please, as I always say - search is your friend, esp. when it comes to a topic as covered as this one - well the H22, anyway - the F22b is a slightly less traveled territory, done yes, but not so much of the glamour and hype the H22 carries -

good luck , and keep us posted. if there's anything you CAN'T find by searching, we're here to help
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[JDMcb7]

on which part?lol, that they are better than the h22 sleeves, or that i am wrong about my thought?
lol

-jose

h22 sleeves blow nuts. As far as I'm concerned it's the weakest part of the engine. They used a composite metal sleeve as opposed to the super strong cast iron sleeves used in the f22's.

[i'm the girl]

h22 sleeves blow nuts. As far as I'm concerned it's the weakest part of the engine. They used a composite metal sleeve as opposed to the super strong cast iron sleeves used in the f22's.

YES! better sleeves + lower compression = better for boost.

throw in a bit of "hey this costs half as much" and well.... yeah you get my point

[d112crzy]

h22 sleeves blow nuts. As far as I'm concerned it's the weakest part of the engine. They used a composite metal sleeve as opposed to the super strong cast iron sleeves used in the f22's.

o, I know that. I was just wondering if the h23 sleeves are as ***(crappy) as the h22 sleeves.

I know that the h22 sleeves are made from FRM, or is it RMF sleeves, one of em, and it sucks, lol, for boost at least.

-Jose

[JDMcb7]

o, I know that. I was just wondering if the h23 sleeves are as ***(crappy) as the h22 sleeves.

I know that the h22 sleeves are made from FRM, or is it RMF sleeves, one of em, and it sucks, lol, for boost at least.

-Jose

See all that is too technical for a drunkard.

I'm pretty sure the h23 sleeves are cast, but I'm not 100%, perhaps someone with greater expertise in the h23 department could chime in?

[i'm the girl]

o, I know that. I was just wondering if the h23 sleeves are as ***(crappy) as the h22 sleeves.

I know that the h22 sleeves are made from FRM, or is it RMF sleeves, one of em, and it sucks, lol, for boost at least.

-Jose

h-series internals should be the same as eachother - as f-series internals are, i mean as far as composite materials are concerned .. at least from what i understand

[d112crzy]

h-series internals should be the same as eachother - as f-series internals are, i mean as far as composite materials are concerned .. at least from what i understand

yea, thats what i was thinking. I mean, they are basically the same block, except one is vtec enabled(dont know another word for it), but yea, all in all, H blocks suck for boost, stock that is.


-Jose

[h22sparkle]

No bro your wrong its the sleeves and the ringlands that suck get it right my h22 head will be going on a f22 block by next week if im lucky. tuning is tuning,and last but not least less shit when boosting is a good thing.

[Mike]

just do a lot of research man like somelse said this has been discused a bunch of times, its so much more satisfing to find it ur self then to ask....for me, im just gona get the h22 and resleave it i think its worth the money for my turbo build cuz im lookin for some nice power....although if money becomes a huge issue i might look at the h23....i just <3 vtec so...