HHO project on its way

[The-Gr8-Ox]

Hey guys,

well its been a long time since I've made a post or have been here. since being laid off i've have been doing a ton of research on HHO's affect on car, and what it is really doing. the claims of higher gas mileage and a bit of extra hp sounds like a worthy project to keep my mind busy before i join the Air Force.

i've watched every video on youtube and read everything i could on it, and i've jumped into the game. for starters, I'm doing this right and not half-assing it with jars and non-distilled water and cheap gadgetry.
No, I have fully engineered a complete Dry cell unit. its all self contained and should provide me with about 4-6 liters of HHO per minute.





this of course is just the first design, i might modify it a tad to make it a bit cheaper to produce, but overall i plan on making and testing before May,
then in May I'm taking a road trip to Spokane, WA and back to see what long term results are and see if i can't make something useful for others if they want in. i already have a few people really stoke for me and are willing to buy one from me once i complete my alpha testing. so far my calculations are telling me i will be in the area of 40-65mpg depending on volume produced and what efficiencies I'm getting. i'm also thinking of getting a wideband o2 sensor and some mapping software to see if i can't make a bigger increase. but first test is just to see what i get with it strait into the intake.

anyways, thought i'd share what i've been up to. i love my cb and am not interested to make the most Hp but the most mpg.

i would love to answer any questions or concerns or just general debate.
hope you enjoy the photos!

-OX

[lokuputha]

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I like this a lot. What is your electronic setup like? Frequency? Wave shape? Current? I hear that is almost as important as the capacitor cell.

[F22HB]

Should be interesting, hows it all work though?

[The-Gr8-Ox]

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I like this a lot. What is your electronic setup like? Frequency? Wave shape? Current? I hear that is almost as important as the capacitor cell.

all that is very important for getting the most out of the cell, for now i'm going to stay simple and just do a simple connection, if i find that it isn't enough i'll jump in the major electronics

Should be interesting, hows it all work though?

it all works with the stainless steel plates, you have a positive and a negative plate. theses plates are charged in an electrolyte, it strips the water form a liquid to a gas, its an electrolysis processes. thus you get two parts hydrogen and on part oxygen. HHO.
once the gas is made it flows to a bubblier and a flash back arrestor and strait to the intake. once in the cylinder in will completely burn the fuel and create a higher octane reading, the o2 sensor sees this and backs the fuel creating your savings in fuel. in theory this is how it works, but it is a proven technology, its just hasn't caught on yet.

[F22HB]

Yea, I looked into the normal way of doing it, seemed sorta iffy. So how does yours work as a self contained unit?

[The-Gr8-Ox]

Yea, I looked into the normal way of doing it, seemed sorta iffy. So how does yours work as a self contained unit?

BASICALLY, THINK OF A DOGWOOD SANDWICH, we sandwich gaskets and plates together to create interior resivors to fill up. you have a 1/2 piece of lexen plastic, then a 1/16" gasket then a negative plate, then for more gaskets and steel neutral plates then positive plate which creates one cell, my unit consists of five cells.

example:
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and place a gasket in between each plate

this way you have a 1/16th inch gap between plates for the electrolyte to fill and flows in the bottom of the cell and exits at the top ports.

[wed3k]

you deserve a free alignment

[slick]

quick noob question but what exactly is it?

[GhostAccord]

You are definitely going to need a Wideband O2 sensor and everything else that people use to tune there cars. Programmable ECU, data logging etc...etc... If you are going to be producing enough gas to make those MPG gains. You are going to need to tune or trick every sensor in the PGM-FI for the car to run properly. MAP, IAT and O2 at least and you may want to look into installing a knock sensor or making some det cans to make sure your not running the engine too lean/hot.

In for results

Good luck

[GreenMadness]

^ you will need a tune. i built a few of these for cars, never the self contained dry cell though.

Lokuputha is correct the frequency and wave pulse/shape are huge factors in how efficently this cell will work.

From what i found through testing its not the hydrogen, but rather the oxygen that is realsed during the process that allows you to extract those 5mpg boosts people are raving about. although that cell will be far out producing the smaller units, which is why the tunning is gonna be critical, your computer can only account for so much.

[The-Gr8-Ox]

you deserve a free alignment

if your still offering, i'm game!! not like i have a job to weigh me down, haha

quick noob question but what exactly is it?

an electrolyzer, it separates water to its gaseous form, hho instead of h2o

You are definitely going to need a Wideband O2 sensor and everything else that people use to tune there cars. Programmable ECU, data logging etc...etc... If you are going to be producing enough gas to make those MPG gains. You are going to need to tune or trick every sensor in the PGM-FI for the car to run properly. MAP, IAT and O2 at least and you may want to look into installing a knock sensor or making some det cans to make sure your not running the engine too lean/hot.

In for results

Good luck

thanks, i know i will need everything, so that's why i'm going to start small and test the theory that it will remotely do anything just on its own, after that i'm diving full in

^ you will need a tune. i built a few of these for cars, never the self contained dry cell though.

Lokuputha is correct the frequency and wave pulse/shape are huge factors in how efficently this cell will work.

From what i found through testing its not the hydrogen, but rather the oxygen that is realsed during the process that allows you to extract those 5mpg boosts people are raving about. although that cell will be far out producing the smaller units, which is why the tunning is gonna be critical, your computer can only account for so much.

thanks, when i get to that point, every bit of advise will really go a long way.




apart from my initial testing, i will need all the help i can get to run the wideband and mapping software, so if anyone is willing to help on that part, i can really use the help.

thanks guys, look forward to it!!!

[DImages56]

this is very interesting....keep me updated with the testing.

[mayberry]

You just made me feel really stupid. Subscribed.

[Tnwagn]

I'm glad smart people still exsist. Good luck with the project!

[Aeromech]

I built a cell a while back and ran it on my car....I noticed a gain(mpg) without any tuning and the power across the board was a lot smoother. I guess the more complete fuel burn is the key.

I ran it for like 2 days and then one of my switches took a c**p. You need to figure out how to control the amps.

If anyone is interested in this please take a look at http://hhoinfo.ning.com/
this is a good place with lots of discussions about HHO.

I need to re-wire my unit and get it going again....I am looking to get 2 weeks to a tank after tuning. Its a longshot I know.

ps....try inflating a latex glove with the hho and set it on fire. I tried it on my first generator just to see if the gas was flammable.....holy crap that was loud.