Pierce Motorsports strut bar group buy!

[Lucien]

Group buy has been cancelled due to lack of and conflict of interest.

Sorry to those genuinely interested in these parts.

[Lucien]

More pics of their work...







A link to a review of Pierce Motorsports on a Veloster Turbo forum...
http://www.velosterturbo.org/forum/p...torsports.html















Dime stacks galore...

[Lucien]

I believe this bar is sitting on top of their fully acid dipped, tube-chaged, stitch-welded Escort GT race car shell.

[sonikaccord]

Those bars look like they mean business! I just bought ESPs package not too long ago. I don't really see there being a huge difference between the two other than looks.

BUT, will he do bars similar to the UR bars floating around on ebay for us? And a c-pillar bar? Ya know, to hang your clothes on

[Lucien]

Those bars look like they mean business! I just bought ESPs package not too long ago. I don't really see there being a huge difference between the two other than looks.

BUT, will he do bars similar to the UR bars floating around on ebay for us? And a c-pillar bar? Ya know, to hang your clothes on

From a rigidity standpoint, these should be noticeably more substantial than the ESP stuff, which is great stuff, but in this case its 4130 tube chromoly vs. boxed mild steel and billet steel tube clamps vs. standard bolts/nuts.

My plan was to go with the ESP rear 4 point/front 3 point bars, originally. Once i learned of Jim's background and racing experience coupled with seeing the quality of their materials/hardware/craftsmanship, i changed my mind.

Ultra Racing did come up during our talk. Which bars are you referring to, specifically, aside from the upper strut bars? I'm sure a c-pillar bar would be simple to mock up.

[sonikaccord]

Mainly the bars under the chassis. I don't want a full cage, but it looks like they will add some torsion resistance to the chassis without losing 4 door functionality.

I'm sure his stuff is braced to hell, very minimal flex around the weaker parts of the material. But on the CB chassis, will it be noticeable? Especially without supporting suspension mods? He wins on looks vs the welded square bar.

[H311RA151N]

I like it! If I were in the market I'd buy one. How long would it take him to produce them?

[Lucien]

I like it! If I were in the market I'd buy one. How long would it take him to produce them?

I believe it was either 6 to 8 OR 4 to 6 weeks. I'll call to confirm this afternoon. I know it was relatively quick.

He's working on a time attack sti, a track car and developing parts for his turbo veloster which he races. He's busy, but he's straightforward with how much time work will take and that he refuses to rush a product out. After he's done fabbing up the first bar, he'll want to test it for a bit to make sure it's not crap.

If there's anything they're unhappy with in the fit, finish or design of a part, they discuss it until they determine a solution to improve the part and make a new one. I saw this process happen a few times just in the day i was there. I was impressed as i've never seen that at a shop before. Usually it's just agreeing on how to half-ass the part onto the car.

[Lucien]

Mainly the bars under the chassis. I don't want a full cage, but it looks like they will add some torsion resistance to the chassis without losing 4 door functionality.

I'm sure his stuff is braced to hell, very minimal flex around the weaker parts of the material. But on the CB chassis, will it be noticeable? Especially without supporting suspension mods? He wins on looks vs the welded square bar.

We'd have to look into how much flex is experienced under load at the points we intend to brace on the underbody. Some cars will benefit from extensive bracing, other's not so much. There will probably be a difference just between the coupe and sedan due to wheelbase length and weight distribution. I'd think it would come down to trying it out and going off the results.

I'd rather he explain the inherent differences between the hardware he's using and what's currently in our market. I believe the cb chassis benefits greatly from extra bracing. It's an incredibly capable suspension design that Honda installed. Instead of going with the cheapest option, they went more towards "because racecar" but kept it softened and comfortable for the intended sales demographic.

I think anyone interested in running braces like this would definitely have supporting mods. The guys that just want a strut bar to show they have one will stick with generic adjustable bars in pretty colors. It's also that his base materials are inherently more rigid, his connecting hardware is beefier and made specifically for these applications and i believe he has more race/parts experience.

tl;dr_These would be the kind of hard core suspension parts other platforms can select from as the tech trickles down from race teams and shops. If you're into maximizing mechanical grip or you want a cool looking piece for the next show that no one else will have, these are it.

[wildBill83]

There is no wheelbase difference between a coupe and sedan and the weight difference is very minimal.

There is no reason a one size fits all models component cannot be produced. Also the accord suspension is not as advanced as you make it out to be. A prelude has better rear suspension components. How about a weld in plate so we could utilize a better rear suspension?

[Tishock]

Seriously!

[Lucien]

There is no wheelbase difference between a coupe and sedan and the weight difference is very minimal.

There is no reason a one size fits all models component cannot be produced. Also the accord suspension is not as advanced as you make it out to be. A prelude has better rear suspension components. How about a weld in plate so we could utilize a better rear suspension?

I didn't mean we'd have specific bars between coupe and sedan. I got a little over zealous in my explanation.

My point with describing the cb suspension was that it has lots of potential in a shell that belies it's abilities.

I'm sure we could discuss the weld-in plate with him.

[sonikaccord]

I'm trying to come up with an excuse to buy these bars and differentiate the competitor's products.

Edit: My one complaint about rear 4 point is that I wished it bolted to a more rigid part of the chassis.

[Sequence]

I'd be game and I'm really digging the second design.

[Lucien]

I'm trying to come up with an excuse to buy these bars and differentiate the competitor's products.

Edit: My one complaint about rear 4 point is that I wished it bolted to a more rigid part of the chassis.

The rear 4 point design isn't set in stone, so the pick up points might be relocated for rigidity.

Regardless of this group buy being successful, i am going to be the guinea pig for these parts and intend to document the build process and my review once they're installed.