Quick Question WRT K24A in a CB7...

[Snuff]

Hey guys.
I joined CB7 about 6 months ago and this is officially my first post.

It also is my first question.

I heard the that the new F series and K series motors crank in the opposite direction and therefore we can't swap them into our beloved Accords.
First, Is this true?
Second, Any ways around this?

I'm asking this because I am wondering about swapping my drivetrain for the one from the TSX.
(What better place to ask than right here?)

[SoySauceCb7]

Yes it is true and there is away around it, you flip the motor around but i believe that its to long to fit in the bay.

[DrLove'sKuDang]

the k's will work. i know a couple people with k20r's... not in accords, but if you can get someone to make you a mount kit, itll work. but swapping tranny alone, no you cant do that. just get a euro-r, nice short gears.

[Snuff]

The reason I'm asking is not to swap just the tranny, but the WHOLE thing. Engine, trans, cpu, shafts etc.
What I need to know, is will it fit and will it WORK?
I 'm thinking it might work because if I take everything and it fits, then it's just a matter of making mounts.
The whole idea of taking the whole shabang is that I then wouldn't have to worry about opposite rotation and crap like that.

Hey, dream big.

[DrLove'sKuDang]

if you got the money go for it... but its not going to be easy, a mount kit doesnt exist for it.

or for the same money as a k you could have a semi built h making the same if not more power.

[BIGDOM]

WORD..... amen, preach on..... the best engine ever made by honda were the H's,,, yes, yes,, i am right, and your not,, ha ha ha,, the K series is a disgrace to the honda tradition,, complete and utter ridicule. I smoke new Si's and modded rsx-s's in my h powered accord,, now tell me whos better huh??????? thats right

[mayberry]

nah man.......i have to disagree with u........i always thought the b series was the best motor honda ever made.....100hp per liter, nearly perfect rod stroke ratio and theyre bullet proof...and i too at first thought the k series was a joke but the more i read about it the better it sounds........

[SoySauceCb7]

Correct and wrong the K series is hands down hondas most powerful and efficient liter wise engine. They did a WONDERFUL job in the engineering, the H22 cant even compare, the closest would have to be the B series.

[BIGDOM]

hipocracy,, ive sat in jdm b-powered civics, and rsx-s and sorry my jdm h22a lsd, if far nicer, faster and better sounding, with cheaper, more performance gaining parts. B series have no torque off the line ,, basicly wothout vtec theyre worthless,, theyre weedwaker engines in a car, 1.6 liters,,,, 2.2 are for real drivers. K series are a disgrace,, carrying after the revearse layout engine seen in celicas, corollas,, its rediculous,, and i hate celicas 2. They're slow. OBD-1 Twin cam vtec honda engines have been compared small block chevys for theyre interchangabilty, and simplicity. The k-series is hondas way to stop the modding. Just look at the indepth, and complex mapping in the K series. Its practically impossible to dyno the engines, theyre not consistant. And whats with the Timing chain. How rediulous is that. Look im not sayin that the engine cannot be tuned and made fast. It has year of experience and development to back up its engineering. Im just saying that honda has never taken after anyone. They have always been the trend setter, accompanying their past achievments into their ideas. The k-series just dosnt represent the genuine honda power. Unless you have the RSX-S, or TSX head u basically dont have vtec. The si's are slow and waste of production. If in doubt read up how they K-series works, youll be dissapointed, trust me i was. I was looking forward to its relase but,,, dissapointment. Im not smashing down the K with out backing it up with facts, i know the facts ,, and i can.

[mayberry]

read this months honda tuning........im just now starting to understand the k series. so far i like what i see.

[SoySauceCb7]

Yeah bro you think your h22 is hot stuff, why dont you diengage vtec and see how fast you go. Dont say that the H22 is the better because from and efficiency and power standpoint the k series BLOWS h22's out of the water, the k series is a hell of allot more refined and "perfect if you will" compared to h22's, you know that spoon and toda racing pick the "best engines with the most potential to to make parts for and why isnt the h22 there?, cause it is inferior from an engineering standpoint.

[DrLove'sKuDang]

wow, didnt mean to start the h/k war. i was just suggesting that as a cheaper alternative. but if money isnt an issue, i would get a k myself. a friend of mine has a k20r in his ek hatch, with nothing but a comptech header... untuned made 216whp/160tq. once he gets his cams and k-pro, itll be all over... expecting 240+

although considering his motor was double mine to begin with, you gotta weigh out the differences in cost.

[Snuff]

Let's not start a flame war...

I asked about the K because I figure that if Honda is putting out a new Luxury Sedan, then they want power to back it up. They always do and this is just common sense. Either way, it's more powerful than what I have now.

Okay, IMO, the H series is great. Plain and simple, and has a VAST aftermarket and YEARS of people plugging away at it to squeeze every last bit of HP out.
One of the things I think about when looking at engines is, DO THEY RACE THIS ENGINE NOW??
Yeah, H's are in dragsters and the like, but RealTime Racing has both RSX's and TSX's that they race with. That right there is research and developement for Honda.
Technology eventually outgrows itself and the sweet H's are EVENTUALLY going to grow old. You know it's true.
I myself own an H23A1. (Check the Members Rides thread.)
I love it, but at the same time, you have to be open to new ideas.
Now, I'm watching the TSX and want to see where it will go.

How much HP does the New Accord Coupe have (top model)? 240? It's a k series, isn't it?
Either way, I'm always looking for more power. I just need a Money Tree I can plant in my backyard.

[Liljord05]

New accord 240hp 3.0 VTEC 6speed :drool:

[punkrockimport]

we need to embrace the future. people with rsx's are going to be offered a massive availability of aftermarket parts, just wait and see. and lets face facts that certain beloved engines,( even worshipped if you will..)are NOT produced anymore.

h's and b's are gonna stop getting new research and will be abandoned for the newer motors...

and to be honest, if i had the brand new accords with the v6 vtec i prolly wouldn't be thinking of ways to make up for its lacking of power...

but EVENTUALLY i would want more.. and by then someone will be producing a turbo kit for it, or some type of power adder nobody has thought of yet. some type of computer that doubles power safely?? who knows.

all im saying is that auto manufacturing advances, dont be afraid of it. embrace it. but no, dont put the k24 in your cb7. to answer your question..


i wanna see the new version of a power adder. supercharger, turbocharger, nitrous, and a **** whatever it will be???